Turbo install -- halfway there!!

[KrayzieFox]

So I finally decided to pull the trigger on the turbo install today. I've had all the parts for a couple weeks now but just couldn't find the time to start installing it, but today was the day.

Thus far I have drained all the fluids, installed new studs on turbo manifold, removed the stock exhaust manifold and j-pipe, removed the radiator and bumper, removed the oil pan, cleaned up new oil pan, installed new coolant by pass pipe, tapped the water source and installed little banjo bolt thingy and routed the coolant feed pipe to the front of the engine.

I could've done more, but I'm not shitting you (I'm SOOOO F*&#ING PISSED OFF ABOUT THIS!!!) the oil filter took me 2 hours to take off!!!!!!!! That little motherf*#$er would NOT come off no matter what I tried. I even made an extra trip to Advance Auto to buy multiple oil filter removal tools but all of them just kept on slipping off!! I can't find my camera but in the morning I'll take a picture of the filter and rest of the work I've done.

What I plan on doing first thing in the morning is to install new oil pan, tap the oil source, install oil cooler (this is gonna SUCK!!), install turbo itself and hook up all the lines. Then if I have time and energy left I'll try to assemble the mess of FMIC pipes and hook that up as well. I'm pretty sure I won't have time for the FPR or o2 clamp but we'll see..

[KrayzieFox]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to ask this.

What grade of oil and heat range of plugs should I use now? Is 5W-30 oil and NGK ZFR6F-11 for the plugs gonna be ok?

[kansei]

I use a 5w40 but used 10w30 for about a year after turbocharging the car no trouble. I actually have.. lots more smokin with the 5w40, that much I know.

Those plugs will work great.

congrats on taking the plunge!

[Red5_02]

In the future drive a screw driver through the filter and twist...

[ForceFed]

In the future drive a screw driver through the filter and twist...
Thats exactly what I thought when I was reading it...I am like man...Shove that long Screwdriver thruogh there...It'll come off....One way or another.

[KrayzieFox]

In the future drive a screw driver through the filter and twist...

Thats exactly what I thought when I was reading it...I am like man...Shove that long Screwdriver thruogh there...It'll come off....One way or another.

That was one of the first things I tried, but the filter would just crumble like it was made out of paper!! It was just a pain in the ass.. I mean I've replaced the damn thing like 15 times but this time it was just HELL!!

[kansei]

What brand so others can avoid?

I've never had this sort of trouble with:
- OEM (made in germany was all I'd ever get when I bought OEM)
- Denso
- Purolator PureOne (which now has a grippy coating on it making it even easier to remove)

and make sure you lube the seal when you install :)

[KrayzieFox]

Mobil1 (V6 version) oil filter. Never had problems of this sort before though. Here's what it looks like now that it's FINALLY off!! I used numerous screwdrivers, pliers, stupid useless oil filter removal tools, etc. I'm not sure how it finally come off, but it did.

[KrayzieFox]

And while I was out taking pics of the annihilated oil filter, I figured I'd take a few shots of my car the way it stands right now. I removed all the brackets possible and moved the exhaust as far I could to give me more room with that oil filter from hell.. you say something about the exhaust and you WILL die!!

[JC-MP5]

Ouch dude....

(the oil filter)

[KrayzieFox]

Ouch dude....

(the oil filter)

Yeah .. tell me about it. I'm still so pissed off that it took me so long to get that damn thing off!! My arm hurts like hell from it too.

[JC-MP5]

I would think so. Sorry you had to go thru it.

[ForceFed]

Well...It is the Extended Performance Flter...Maybe it wasn't done giving you Service?

[KrayzieFox]

I would think so. Sorry you had to go thru it.

It's all for a good cause. Once this install is complete, the P5 should be pretty fun stuff :)

Well...It is the Extended Performance Flter...Maybe it wasn't done giving you Service?

Oil filter love me long time?

If I didn't have to install the MSP oil cooler, I totally would've just left that damn thing on after the first hour of struggle. This was before I introduced the screwdriver, pliers, and other devices of oil filter mass destruction of course..

[Red5_02]

Well...It is the Extended Performance Flter...Maybe it wasn't done giving you Service?

I know I have a problem breaking o-ring suction in the middle of extended service

[khaosman]

Looking good man :D

[kansei]

I know I have a problem breaking o-ring suction in the middle of extended service

I think my mind is in the gutter right now. HA

lookin good dude!

You shold post an MSP oil-cooler how-to :)

[KrayzieFox]

I think my mind is in the gutter right now. HA

lookin good dude!

You shold post an MSP oil-cooler how-to :)

I'll try, but taking pictures is going to be the last thing on my mind..

[KrayzieFox]

So this project is turning out to be the complete opposite of what I thought it would be. Things that I thought would be a big pain in the ass (ex: exhaust mani removal, oil cooler install) are turning out to be super easy, but the easy things are giving me such a hard time!!

Last night I struggled with the oil filter for hours, and this morning I spent 3 hours driving around town trying to find a freakin' 29mm deep socket!!!! I needed it to install the oil cooler, but NO ONE had a 29mm of any kind! Everywhere I went had 27mm, 30mm, 32mm .. but no 29mm anywhere! I finally found it at this little part store and 30 minutes later the oil cooler was installed :)

[Judman13]

Dude, I wish i had the money to bite a bullet like yours!!!! Good luck with the rest of it!!!

[pro5x2]

So this project is turning out to be the complete opposite of what I thought it would be. Things that I thought would be a big pain in the ass (ex: exhaust mani removal, oil cooler install) are turning out to be super easy, but the easy things are giving me such a hard time!!

Last night I struggled with the oil filter for hours, and this morning I spent 3 hours driving around town trying to find a freakin' 29mm deep socket!!!! I needed it to install the oil cooler, but NO ONE had a 29mm of any kind! Everywhere I went had 27mm, 30mm, 32mm .. but no 29mm anywhere! I finally found it at this little part store and 30 minutes later the oil cooler was installed :)

Sorry to hear, but it'll all be worth it in the end! I too feel your pain on not finding parts.I went to Home Depot and Lowe's looking for a specific screw, didn't ahve it. Went to auto parts store(allI could find, none had it) Finally went to a little hole in the wall mom and pops hardware store and they had it.

They also told me they specifically make sure they carry EVERYTHING they can that the big chains don't. So, i'll be going there from now on!

Keep us updated!!

[KrayzieFox]

Keep us updated!!

Oil pan is on, all lines are hooked up to turbo. Next up is the FMIC.

That reminds me. How do you guys suggest I hook up the intake now? Where should I position the MAF and where in the hell is the IAT sensor gonna go?

[khaosman]

You can always just pop the IAT in one of the holes leading to the fender until you get an intake with a proper grommet.

What kind of intake is it anyway? Some people run their MAF on the cold pipe, others don't. :shrug:

[Judman13]

TOO many acronyms I'm lost!!!

[Jackelope]

which ones? haha MAF? Mass Air Flow FMIC? Front Mount Intercooler IAT? Intake Air Temperature

oh, and congrads on finally taking the plunge dude!

[Judman13]

which ones? haha MAF? Mass Air Flow FMIC? Front Mount Intercooler IAT? Intake Air Temperature

oh, and congrads on finally taking the plunge dude!

ahh wow thats better!!! English!!! I knew FMIC but that was about it. THANKS

[bazooka joe]

good job man!! hey, not sure you said, chris mentioned it, rub a bit of oil around the new filter and it will come off pretty easy...as long as you don't crank on it when putting it back on..here's a pic of the rrfpr and my aftermarket fpr underneath the begi

[Judman13]

here's a pic of the rrfpr and my aftermarket fpr underneath the begi

*sigh*


I'm not even going to try....lol

[bazooka joe]

*sigh*


I'm not even going to try....lol

haha...rising rate fuel pressure regulator, fuel pressure regulator and begi is the brand name of the rrfpr...got it??:lol:

[Red5_02]

good job man!! hey, not sure you said, chris mentioned it, rub a bit of oil around the new filter and it will come off pretty easy...as long as you don't crank on it when putting it back on..here's a pic of the rrfpr and my aftermarket fpr underneath the begi

do you have any problems running the MAF before the turbo?

[KrayzieFox]

You can always just pop the IAT in one of the holes leading to the fender until you get an intake with a proper grommet.

What kind of intake is it anyway? Some people run their MAF on the cold pipe, others don't. :shrug:
It's not really an "actual" intake. I pretty much have a million pipes that I'm gonna use to make FMIC pipes and intake out of. Where does the IAT sensor usually go on turbo vehicles?

good job man!! hey, not sure you said, chris mentioned it, rub a bit of oil around the new filter and it will come off pretty easy...as long as you don't crank on it when putting it back on..here's a pic of the rrfpr and my aftermarket fpr underneath the begi
I always do the lubricating trick on the oil filter, this one just didn't wanna come off.

Thanks for the pics man, your engine bay is pure sex!! So organized and clean and perfect. Kudos man, that is good work!

[KrayzieFox]

I just went outside and snapped a few quick pics of today's progress. It may not seem like much, but tapping and hooking up all the lines to and from the turbo took a little bit of time and effort.

So yea.. turbo is on, lines are hooked up, oil cooler is installed, all the lines and wires for gauges/o2 clamp are ready, new oil pan is on, and exhaust is back on with new hangers (w00t!!)

Left to do:
1) FMIC & intake
2) FPR & o2 clamp
3) gauges
4) slimfan and radiator

I think I should have everything ready by Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. Excitement is starting to set in!!

[Judman13]

haha...rising rate fuel pressure regulator, fuel pressure regulator and begi is the brand name of the rrfpr...got it??:lol:

haha yeah i got it...for the time being!!!! :ughdance:

[bazooka joe]

do you have any problems running the MAF before the turbo?

ya, at times...when i come off the gas after some high revs...most of the time it's okay...but i am thinking of moving it and see if it makes a difference

[pro5x2]

I know Taylor (evilmonkeymsp) is upgrading to hardpipes and putting his MAF on the coldpipe.

[CTt3P5]

Congrats on officially joining the dark side.

Love that oil filler cap. ;)

[Red5_02]

ya, at times...when i come off the gas after some high revs...most of the time it's okay...but i am thinking of moving it and see if it makes a difference

I was talking to a friend last night about putting the MAF on the hot or cold side and he mentioned something about voltage spikes on the MAF. Know anything about that?

[KrayzieFox]

This is today's progress.. very weak, I know. By the time I got home from work and went to buy some stuff, it didn't leave me with much time to work on the P5. So all I accomplished for today was mounting the FMIC and figuring out the cold pipe. Hot pipe is gonna be a little harder to put together, and I have no idea how I'm gonna fit the intake.

Can anyone take a pic of their intake on the MSP turbo? There's like NO room left because of the fan.

[bazooka joe]

I was talking to a friend last night about putting the MAF on the hot or cold side and he mentioned something about voltage spikes on the MAF. Know anything about that?

ya, i've heard that as well...not relly investigated it much because the problem is minimal...i still might move it though...don't want to really cut my pipe...:(

[Tranquilized]

You have an automatic right? Any mods/upgrades so far to transmission or drivetrain?

Also, would anyone happen to know the dimensions on that MSP oil cooler? I bought a universal cooler for my tranny line, and it ended up being to thick to mount between the front of the radiator and the brace. I had to mount it on the outside of the brace (between the brace and bumper), which is fine, but its not catching as much cool outside air as it could. Mine measures 5"x15"x3/4" if I remember correctly.

[KrayzieFox]

You have an automatic right? Any mods/upgrades so far to transmission or drivetrain?

Also, would anyone happen to know the dimensions on that MSP oil cooler? I bought a universal cooler for my tranny line, and it ended up being to thick to mount between the front of the radiator and the brace. I had to mount it on the outside of the brace (between the brace and bumper), which is fine, but its not catching as much cool outside air as it could. Mine measures 5"x15"x3/4" if I remember correctly.

If the question is directed towards me, then yes I do have an automatic. I have an auxillary tranny cooler, and I did attempt to upgrade the valve body. Problem was the guy scammed me and sent me an OEM body. Driver side axle and both bearings are brand new, so that's the only drivetrain "upgrade" I've done so far.

As for the MSP oil cooler, it's not really your typical oil cooler. It's more of a sandwich type of cooler that goes between the block and oil filter. It uses coolant to cool down the oil, as opposed to air like the conventional oil cooler uses (such as my tranny oil cooler). See pics for details and visual explanation.

[Tranquilized]

If the question is directed towards me, then yes I do have an automatic. I have an auxillary tranny cooler, and I did attempt to upgrade the valve body. Problem was the guy scammed me and sent me an OEM body. Driver side axle and both bearings are brand new, so that's the only drivetrain "upgrade" I've done so far.

As for the MSP oil cooler, it's not really your typical oil cooler. It's more of a sandwich type of cooler that goes between the block and oil filter. It uses coolant to cool down the oil, as opposed to air like the conventional oil cooler uses (such as my tranny oil cooler). See pics for details and visual explanation.

I see, so the black cooler in front of your radiator is your tranny cooler then, right? I thought THAT was the MSP cooler.

[KrayzieFox]

I see, so the black cooler in front of your radiator is your tranny cooler then, right? I thought THAT was the MSP cooler.

You got it!

[bazooka joe]

You have an automatic right? Any mods/upgrades so far to transmission or drivetrain?

Also, would anyone happen to know the dimensions on that MSP oil cooler? I bought a universal cooler for my tranny line, and it ended up being to thick to mount between the front of the radiator and the brace. I had to mount it on the outside of the brace (between the brace and bumper), which is fine, but its not catching as much cool outside air as it could. Mine measures 5"x15"x3/4" if I remember correctly.

i almost bought the supposed "lentech" valve body upgrade...but the fox man beat me too it...anyway i went to lentech and bought a new one, best upgrade besides the turbo kit! much quicker and firmer shifts!

[KrayzieFox]

And an update of today's progress. FMIC is officially all hooked up, and intake is done. I installed the o2 clamp, and reinstalled the radiator as well.

All that is left is to hook up the FRP and slimfan, then I refill the fluids and take her for a spin :)

[JC-MP5]

Lookin good buddyman!

[bazooka joe]

And an update of today's progress. FMIC is officially all hooked up, and intake is done. I installed the o2 clamp, and reinstalled the radiator as well.

All that is left is to hook up the FRP and slimfan, then I refill the fluids and take her for a spin :)

you have/hooked up a boost and a/f ratio guage?

[KrayzieFox]

you have/hooked up a boost and a/f ratio guage?

Ahhh fuck!! I forgot to mention the gauges.. I knew there was more to it before I was done.

[bazooka joe]

Ahhh fuck!! I forgot to mention the gauges.. I knew there was more to it before I was done.

:hand: ya, they are an important piece of the puzzle!

[KrayzieFox]

:hand: ya, they are an important piece of the puzzle!

Yea I know, I wouldn't have failed to install them.. I just failed to mention them in this wonderful thread of mine :banghead:

[KrayzieFox]

I hate rain!! I was SOOO close to having all the gauges and vacuum lines hooked up, and then it starts pouring outside!!! Arrrrgh!!

[TheMAN]

I think my mind is in the gutter right now. HA

lookin good dude!

You shold post an MSP oil-cooler how-to :)
you mean this? :rolleyes:
http://web2.airmail.net/theman/msoilcooler/

[Boostdprotegelx]

looks good man. wait till i RE take my plunge.. everyone will benefit in one way or another.

[TheMAN]

I just went outside and snapped a few quick pics of today's progress. It may not seem like much, but tapping and hooking up all the lines to and from the turbo took a little bit of time and effort.

So yea.. turbo is on, lines are hooked up, oil cooler is installed, all the lines and wires for gauges/o2 clamp are ready, new oil pan is on, and exhaust is back on with new hangers (w00t!!)

Left to do:
1) FMIC & intake
2) FPR & o2 clamp
3) gauges
4) slimfan and radiator

I think I should have everything ready by Wednesday, Thursday at the latest. Excitement is starting to set in!!
you did torque all that shit down correctly right? if you did, then you'd seen my post with that shit already ;)

[kansei]

you mean this? :rolleyes:
http://web2.airmail.net/theman/msoilcooler/

yeah basically. Last I recalled the pics were there but the page wasn't.. or it wasn't linked to anywhere that it could be found on the site.

[TheMAN]

it's linked from all over the damn place

[KrayzieFox]

you mean this? :rolleyes:
http://web2.airmail.net/theman/msoilcooler/

Yep, that's what I used. Worked great, thanks.

[KrayzieFox]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!

She started :D

LoL!! I was SOOOO nervous to turn that key, and at first it did nothing.. then I put it in N and it started right up. So I then remembered that I had to mess with the shifter cable to get the intake on, and after getting it back into its original spot, it started in P like it's supposed to.

The good:
Idle is perfect, purrs like a kitten at ~850 rpm. Vacuum reads around 18 and fuel pressure is at 32 psi. I don't have the oil pressure gauge wired up yet, but that will be the first thing tomorrow morning.

The bad:
I have an oil leak :'( I traced it to the oil feed line where I used the tee to tap into the stock oil pressure sender. So I have to drain the oil again and redo the oil feed tee. I'm not sure what caused the leak, but loctite or new layer of teflon tape should hopefully fix it.

Still left on the list:
Relocate 2nd o2 sensor, wire gauges, and.. umm.. shit that's it!!

[kansei]

congrats dude! Get her buttoned up in the AM and drive that thing!

[Red5_02]

Awesome man, glad to see the project is going quick.

[01protegemp3]

im jealous... i want boost :(

[TheMAN]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!

She started :D

LoL!! I was SOOOO nervous to turn that key, and at first it did nothing.. then I put it in N and it started right up. So I then remembered that I had to mess with the shifter cable to get the intake on, and after getting it back into its original spot, it started in P like it's supposed to.

The good:
Idle is perfect, purrs like a kitten at ~850 rpm. Vacuum reads around 18 and fuel pressure is at 32 psi. I don't have the oil pressure gauge wired up yet, but that will be the first thing tomorrow morning.

The bad:
I have an oil leak :'( I traced it to the oil feed line where I used the tee to tap into the stock oil pressure sender. So I have to drain the oil again and redo the oil feed tee. I'm not sure what caused the leak, but loctite or new layer of teflon tape should hopefully fix it.

Still left on the list:
Relocate 2nd o2 sensor, wire gauges, and.. umm.. shit that's it!!
do NOT use teflon tape... get thread sealant which is what should've been used to begin with

[DemonIAm]

soooooo???

[bazooka joe]

sounding/loking good...get some pics up too! :)

[khaosman]

Hurry up and drive the damn thing :D

[KrayzieFox]

Hurry up and drive the damn thing :D

I did, and everything is fine except I have a coolant leak somewhere. It idles fine, it drives fine, but when I pop the hood after driving a bit there's all sorts of coolant evaporating off the turbo, and there's a little bit of build up on the j-pipe. I checked the in/out lines to/from turbo and I see no leaks, so I'm guessing it's internal?

I dunno, I honestly don't have a clue..

[KrayzieFox]

Oh and one other thing.

What am I looking for as far as fuel and oil pressure is concerned?