Nology HotWires? Worth the money?

[BlackFSDET]

So my stock plug wires are going to shiz and im looking to replace them. I'm super anal about the way my engine bay looks so i want red plug wires. The two companies that make red are magnecor and nology. I really like the look of the nology hotwire setup but is there any merit to the system?

[tekkie]

i have them and I cant say I noticed any difference whatsoever, they look good and thats probably it

If I remember correctly the magnecor ones are supposed to be crap, I think thats what I remember reading but I am sure someone else will reply on that part

[BlackFSDET]

well i've already gone the sparkco route and they crapped out on me after about a year. so negative on the sparkcos.

[tekkie]

maybe those were the ones that I read are crap, I remember a thread on the "other" board about this

[t3ase]

See my fuel, fuel, fuel thread where quite a few people agreed wires don't do shit since "spark is spark".

[Ken@ProtegeGarage]

i have read these can actually be harmful on a turbocharged engine

[METAL]

See my fuel, fuel, fuel thread where quite a few people agreed wires don't do shit since "spark is spark".




since when is it that "spark is spark"?


the problem with the nololgy wires is that the use a "capacity dicharge",makeing then actually retard ignition a tin bit farther then they should,since thier is a capacitor built into them.

the other problem is the grounding straps on each plug,while this would work well for most ignitions,this is shitty for waste spark(like ours)

only good thing,is that it has equal lentgh wires.

[t3ase]

since when is it that "spark is spark"?


the problem with the nololgy wires is that the use a "capacity dicharge",makeing then actually retard ignition a tin bit farther then they should,since thier is a capacitor built into them.

the other problem is the grounding straps on each plug,while this would work well for most ignitions,this is shitty for waste spark(like ours)

only good thing,is that it has equal lentgh wires.
Feel free to comment in the other thread about it, but spark is spark, and it makes sense. There may be a hotter spark with the new wires or whatever is marketed but I believe the general say in that thread was that as long as it sets off the combustion then it's done. I tend to agree. I say spend the cash elsewhere, as our wires are one of the last things that needs work.

[METAL]

Feel free to comment in the other thread about it, but spark is spark, and it makes sense. There may be a hotter spark with the new wires or whatever is marketed but I believe the general say in that thread was that as long as it sets off the combustion then it's done. I tend to agree. I say spend the cash elsewhere, as our wires are one of the last things that needs work.



give me a link to the other thread.




but no,spark is definatly not just spark.
if a spark cuts out to quik,you can loose a great deal of your power,same if it's not hot enough.

if it doesn't occur at the right time,you can blow your engine,or retard to much,and loose a lot of power.

thier are a lot of things that can hurt performance when it comes to cars,especially boosted cars.

[Mr.Win]

I agree with wicked on this one.. and ill also that if your killing wires that fast you my have other issues to address. Stock should be fine and unless you going with a full ignition setup like the one nick offers i wouldnt bother with wires.

[atticus1398]

no, spark is not spark, when your boosting a ton and your cylinder pressures blow out the spark. but most of us dont have to worry about that, YET.

[tekkie]

yeah I agree, if spark was spark then they would not make computer CPU's wit gold, they would make them with aluminum or something

higher quality conductors will give you better spark hands down, granted unless your making high hp you probably wont see the difference there is still a difference

[gimpo2]

i got these plug wires, just cuz of the hiboost kit's weird intake pipe. broke 2 coilpacks and chafed the shitout of my wiring harness. i think any differences exerienced are due to more of a placebo effect.

[BRIAN MP5T]

They are very high quality but I personally think they serve no purpose but...
BLING!

[t3ase]

yeah I agree, if spark was spark then they would not make computer CPU's wit gold, they would make them with aluminum or something

higher quality conductors will give you better spark hands down, granted unless your making high hp you probably wont see the difference there is still a difference
Actually, that has nothing to do with it. Gold connections are used due to their lack of resistance and ability to withstand rigourous conditions. Connections are also more commonly gold plated with a true silver or aluminum base.

Most cars, even those with Beau's thumper kits, do not require a change. You have other issues to address before worrying about the wires.

[t3ase]

no, spark is not spark, when your boosting a ton and your cylinder pressures blow out the spark. but most of us dont have to worry about that, YET.
YET. There are two people I know of pushing greater than 300hp, neither of which have upgrade wires. The placebo effect is entirely too powerful when you spend tha tmuch on wires with all of the marketing. I bought that marketing for a long time until was told here not to. Then after research on google, it became apparent that what they said was true for the levels we're putting out.

[BRIAN MP5T]

Bling

[METAL]

but buying a better wire is not a bad thing,you can change to a 8MM wire,and have a better spark,and more RFI insulation.



I have stock wires on mine,but I will probaly change to a thicker cored wire once I start pushing it past 18-20 PSI.

[t3ase]

It's not a *bad* thing, but will they be truly utilized in most situations? Not to my knowledge.

[METAL]

It's not a *bad* thing, but will they be truly utilized in most situations? Not to my knowledge.




thats why I won't change wires tilll I start going to the higher boost.

[t3ase]

thats why I won't change wires tilll I start going to the higher boost.
Even so, I was running 18psi on the T25 without management. Granted, car hasn't moved in over a year thanks to that, but it wasn't due to detonation or spark related damage. Seems to be oil starvation.

[BRIAN MP5T]

I'm not doubting the Value or Quality, Just the "Need"

I have them on the 944 and they are really unreal as far as quality..

[METAL]

Even so, I was running 18psi on the T25 without management. Granted, car hasn't moved in over a year thanks to that, but it wasn't due to detonation or spark related damage. Seems to be oil starvation.




you have to think about that.

you can run a lot of boost,and have high HP,then you can most always improve on that.
I find adding a good cored wire with a good insulation a part of tunning a car.(BTW,the thicker insulation will help RFI interferince with electronics.)

[BlackFSDET]

Thanks for the info guys, i'll take it into consideration.

[t3ase]

you have to think about that.

you can run a lot of boost,and have high HP,then you can most always improve on that.
I find adding a good cored wire with a good insulation a part of tunning a car.(BTW,the thicker insulation will help RFI interferince with electronics.)
Eh, I won't say you're wrong, but from what I've researched via Google, in order to see a difference between stock and "upgraded" you have to be putting out *HIGH* numbers. High meaning more than anyone I've read about yet and definately more than I was.

As far as RFI, eh, considering your entire car is an electrical circuit, I have a hard time believing there'd be a noticable interference difference, either.

But, that's just me.

[METAL]

Eh, I won't say you're wrong, but from what I've researched via Google, in order to see a difference between stock and "upgraded" you have to be putting out *HIGH* numbers. High meaning more than anyone I've read about yet and definately more than I was.

As far as RFI, eh, considering your entire car is an electrical circuit, I have a hard time believing there'd be a noticable interference difference, either.

But, that's just me.



yeah,I know what your saying,but you have to think,I spend a hell of a lot to make my car safe for 20+ psi on a GT28RS,so whats another $80 for some good wires?


I was working on a mercedes today,and I was getting a random misfire code.

the problem...the insulation wasn't sufficient to control the spark well.it was carbon tracking.

[t3ase]

yeah,I know what your saying,but you have to think,I spend a hell of a lot to make my car safe for 20+ psi on a GT28RS,so whats another $80 for some good wires?


I was working on a mercedes today,and I was getting a random misfire code.

the problem...the insulation wasn't sufficient to control the spark well.it was carbon tracking.
What year was it?

[METAL]

What year was it?




96

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i'm running the nology's on mine, though they gave me the MSP version (different lengths). I got them because I upgraded my 1.8 coils to the 2.0 coils, and need some wires anyways, and there was a group buy... Regardless, I haven't run anything else with my turbo kit, so I can't say if they are any different.

[Gen1GT]

Wow, what an unbelievable amount of misinformation going on here. First of all, it's 'capacitive discharge,' not 'capacity discharge.'

Secondly, a spark is a spark. As long as you're getting enough spark to ignite the charge, then more spark is not going to give you any more bang. All of you suckers who spent the money of wires you didn't need are just trying to justify your purchase with bad information and wrong science. Even if you're misfiring, it's probably not the wires that are causing the problem, which would more than likely be the coil(s) or plugs.

Once the air/fuel mixture ignites, the flame front propagates so fast, that a 'hotter' spark, and it's minute amount of extra arc, will not have any effect. The only time you need to upgrade your ignition system, is when you're misfiring. If you're running a super dense air/fuel charge, to the tune of 30+psi, and 600-1000whp, then I'd suggest upgrading the ignition system. In the mean time, all you need is the stock NGK wires. Don't believe me? Read this. (make sure to check out the dyno charts for each set of wires)

http://www.tprmag.com/issue/4/4_wires.shtml

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The couple misfires I've had have been due to a dirty plug. I cleaned it and no problem.

[Kooldino]

See my fuel, fuel, fuel thread where quite a few people agreed wires don't do shit since "spark is spark".

While I haven't seen aftermarket wires do any good on our car, the "Spark is spark" logic is very flawed.

[Dexter]

Explain why...use diagrams if you must.

[Aric]

Just find someone you know with the hotwires, dissconnect one of the ground wires and hold it in your hand and have your friend start the car.

[Kooldino]

Explain why...use diagrams if you must.

Without spending too much time on the subject, consider a couple of quick points.

1-There are different heat ranges of spark plugs. I can blatantly tell the difference of the effects of 5, 6, and 7 series NGK plugs in my car.

2-There is a reason that you run different gaps in different situations. In some conditions, if the gap is too wide, the spark can't jump the gap. Solution? Either close the gap or make a more powerful spark that will jump said gap.

My point? There's more science to sparks than to simply say "spark is spark". I'm not trying to claim that you'll realize any real gains by going with x or y spark plug or set of wires or coils, but there's more to it than "spark is spark".

@Gen1GT - Ok..I read the article...and most of the aftermarket spark plug wires showed a ~4hp gain. What was your point there?

[Dexter]

Argh, youre talking about PLUGs and were talking about WIREs.

I feel pretty confident in saying that yes, spark is NOT spark when dealing with the plug itself. like you said, different heat ranges, different gaps...but those variables are independent of the wires themselves.

[Kooldino]

Argh, youre talking about PLUGs and were talking about WIREs.

I feel pretty confident in saying that yes, spark is NOT spark when dealing with the plug itself. like you said, different heat ranges, different gaps...but those variables are independent of the wires themselves.

I was simply using that as an example. There are really 3 main components in the spark: the plug, the wire, and whatever it happens to be that sends the current through the wire.

Each can definitely affect the outcome of the spark.

[Dexter]

Well, fuck me raw.

[t3ase]

Eh, none of us are pushing the limits enough to warrant the cost required by new wires. When you talk plugs, yes, there's a difference, but as long as the plug is getting fed the electricity to start the ignition, you're done.

Now, as said above, there's quite a change if you're running an extreme tune or high power but for what most of the Proteges now are putting down, it's overkill. A nice upgrade if you HAVE to switch the wires anyway but overkill, nonetheless.

[METAL]

yeah,anyway........

capacity dicharge,capacitive discharge,so I worded it wrong,it means the same damn thing.

BTW,the coil isn't the shitty spot in our ignition,I have gotten readings of 7K of the coils,but the wires on the other hand............
.............really are fine unless you are running upgrade coils,or are running a larger gap.

in that case,you better be putting down some damn good HP,or else you definatly wasted some money.




Wow, what an unbelievable amount of misinformation going on here. First of all, it's 'capacitive discharge,' not 'capacity discharge.'

Secondly, a spark is a spark. As long as you're getting enough spark to ignite the charge, then more spark is not going to give you any more bang. All of you suckers who spent the money of wires you didn't need are just trying to justify your purchase with bad information and wrong science. Even if you're misfiring, it's probably not the wires that are causing the problem, which would more than likely be the coil(s) or plugs.

Once the air/fuel mixture ignites, the flame front propagates so fast, that a 'hotter' spark, and it's minute amount of extra arc, will not have any effect. The only time you need to upgrade your ignition system, is when you're misfiring. If you're running a super dense air/fuel charge, to the tune of 30+psi, and 600-1000whp, then I'd suggest upgrading the ignition system. In the mean time, all you need is the stock NGK wires. Don't believe me? Read this. (make sure to check out the dyno charts for each set of wires)

http://www.tprmag.com/issue/4/4_wires.shtml

[Gen1GT]

My point about the TPR article, Kooldino, is that the NGK's(OEM replacement wires) are better than most of the rest of the wires. NGK's are not performance wires.

The two most important parts of the ignition system are the coil(s) and plugs. Beyond that, you could use speaker wire instead of plug wires to run your car...

[jrodhotrod]

I have the hotwires and honestly can't tell a difference between those, the Sparkcos that I had previously and the stockers.

I looked at it as purely a cosmetic mod. I like the relocation of the coils and it is overkill, but still a seriously nice piece. The wires are of very high quality.

[JDM Sam]

I like my NGK's.

[gimpo2]

FYI: the nology wires do not properly seal the opening for cylinders 1 and 3. if you have an open hood cover it up when it rains...

[TheMAN]

unless you change your valve cover to the 626 one or FP-DE one

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Actually, there is a slight gap on my valve cover as well (FPDE). I don't know if it matters that they sent me their Mazdaspeed version. However, its' not a problem if you park with the nose down on an incline. Or if you have an engine cover.

[TheMAN]

doesn't matter... the holes are the same depth

[Pirana]

that sucks...any one has a good picture of them installed

[BRIAN MP5T]

that sucks...any one has a good picture of them installed


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[gimpo2]

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the MSP one install in a different loacation. vic, when i get my swap done i'll show you mine. won't be ghettorigged anymore

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one of my hotwires just broke when I was trying to pull one of them out. I haven't had them for one year yet. The actual metal part that clamps onto the plug came out, then I was examining the rubber/plastic sleeve and it broke into two pieces. I will let you guys know what happens with my attempt to get it replaced.

[jrodhotrod]

This is what mine look like.

Because I no longer have the factory strut bar and the associated brackets we had to customize the coil pack bracket, and I think it came out looking better than where Nology has the wires go (for my application)

This is the best picture I have at the moment.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/jrodhotrod/mspengine/nologyinstall.jpg

[BRIAN MP5T]

^^ Coo

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well, Jeff at nology said to send the broken wire in and they will replace it. I shipped it Thursday...