Its done! Almost..

[terbow]

mwhaahahah

ok its not completely done but i just soldered like 60 tiny ass connections.

i just have to connect the diodes (if i can ever get the howto), all the unconnected wires are the aem ones. and the heatsthrinks arent shrunk.

ill never make one again, for anyone, ever. unless u have alot of cash :)

soon. soon.

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp2.jpg


03.01 Update: More Install Pics

Aem 3.5 Bar Map Sensor (good for 30psi i think)

http://www.t3rbow.com/map1.jpg


Aem Map Sensor Wiring (looks almost oem eh eh)

http://www.t3rbow.com/map2.jpg


Plug N Play harnress Closeup

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp3.jpg


Plug N Play Harness Not so Close up

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp1.jpg


Update 03.06.06

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp4.jpg

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp5.jpg

http://www.t3rbow.com/pnp6.jpg

[Super Matty P]

hey brother. I just got a case of some neat new wire connectors...they are a little bulkier but they have additonal inlets for splicing multiple pieces into one section. It's like a mini-multiple outlet connector.

I'll get some pics for you...it's how I plan on re-doing my haltech system.

[terbow]

cool. id like to peep them cause this way was a horrible thing. all the pins were diff lengths cause i got it off an ecu lol

[vindication]

thanks. how thoughtfull of you gor making my early birthday present. I like it. Now to find someone to get me an AEM:D

[terbow]

damn i didnt think you would see this. sorry to ruin the surprise :(

[METAL]

lookin good man,when you expecting to have it in?

[terbow]

well soon as i get the entire diode howto, thats all i need. i got like 30 mins of work left on the harness. i have to mount the aem and set aside a day to tune. im workin on a msp on sunday so i wont get to do it then, im thinkin like tues ish. pending how bad his msp is

[Dexter]

ITS NOT PnP!11

[terbow]

hahaha.

[Jeph]

HOLY SHIT. I'm glad i'm not doing that. Although it would make the end product easier to install, that looks like a PITA. HOPEFULLY all goes well and my AEM will go in sunday as well.

[terbow]

awesome!

yea we have really strict emissions and i really have no way around it. it needs to be done. i can make them for people i dont mind, it just takes a while and is a pita but that would all wash out when i hand over the bill ;)

[Jeph]

I won't pass emissions anyways, so my way around it is to hand my friend 50 bucks and say thanks for passing me ;)

[terbow]

ha we dont have those anymore, we used to then they just dissapeared. so sad.

[KzA]

how would you going about putting a wire in one of the empty holes in a stock harness? Just simply stickin it in doesn't quite work too well..

[terbow]

im confused what your asking?

[KzA]

let me explain. The P5 ecu expects a signal from the VTCS solenoid. I used to have a P5 ECU in the car becuase of the less agressive timing making it easier to safely tune the car. Not only does the MP3 not have VTCS or a solenoid, but they dont even have the wire in the harness where it would be. If I could insert a wire in that hole, then hook that up to the solenoid that I purchased, I could run the P5 ECU without a cel.

[terbow]

ahh, youd have to get the correct pin for the harness and then attach it to the wire. im not sure where youd get one. however let me see if i can take mine apart since im using the aem i have extras, if i can get it out ill send it to ya. then you just have to solder the wire to wire.

[KzA]

appreciate it

[terbow]

no prob. ill check this week.

[t3ase]

I haven't spent a lot of time staring at the harness but are the pins similar to those of a computer molex connection? Kinda where you add a "tree" looking pin to the wire and push through enough for it to lock in to place?

[terbow]

edit:

yes it similar. lil drifferent style i believe cause its longer but same idea.

[KzA]

Thats exactly what I figured, but I had no idea where I would find the right sized pin..

[t3ase]

cool, thanks.

[Super Matty P]

terbow, here's the connectors I was talking about.

On the 2port pieces you just strip the wire and slide it in the hole. If you're doing something like stereo upgrades and you use a multi-port piece you can keep stuffing wires in it everytime you need to add a source or remote piece....it's really neat.

I got a case of about 800 in different sizes.

[BRIAN MP5T]

^^^ Oooo, Those are Nice!

[tekkie]

yeah those look nice where can you get them?

[Super Matty P]

my brother in law is an electrician and he got them all for me. If you guys want some I can order you some.

[atticus1398]

hmm, what if when i get my microtech, instead of selling my unichip, i sacrifice the PnP harness to the microtech. but im still debating on driving to colombus and just having my unichip retuned for my 440ccs. wonder what theyll charge for tuning and dyno time. also maybe have them program the 2 stage rev limiter.

[terbow]

oh wow those are cool, thats an awesome idea.

I also scanned the ecu pin i removed so t3ase and kza can see it. and whoever else wants to but it has to wait till wed.

terbow, here's the connectors I was talking about.

On the 2port pieces you just strip the wire and slide it in the hole. If you're doing something like stereo upgrades and you use a multi-port piece you can keep stuffing wires in it everytime you need to add a source or remote piece....it's really neat.

I got a case of about 800 in different sizes.

[terbow]

wiring isnt that hard so i wouldnt sacrifice the harness cause then youl have a hard time selling it. it IS extra money.

so what i did and find an ecu harness and old ecu. sure its a pain and makes u want to smash things but its worth it. or just wire it in an wait for steve to fake the sensors.

u have a built motor comein. dont play around with piggy backs. make daddy proud and run 25 psi.


hmm, what if when i get my microtech, instead of selling my unichip, i sacrifice the PnP harness to the microtech. but im still debating on driving to colombus and just having my unichip retuned for my 440ccs. wonder what theyll charge for tuning and dyno time. also maybe have them program the 2 stage rev limiter.

[terbow]

ps. im not ur daddy, i was just sayin...

[METAL]

what are you doin here tony?

[terbow]

im posting?

u didnt see my return post! haha im not leavin cracka. i decided its not worth it to go. i am done with the "old" board tho.

[tekkie]

glad to see you stayed Tony :)

[terbow]

aww shucks.

me too.

[Aric]

<3 Tony

so how long untill we get to see the awesome power of ye ol AEM?

[BRIAN MP5T]

P.S. I have parts to a Protege wiring harnes kicking around, if anyone needed the bottom of the two ecu connectors in the original picture, Holla!

[terbow]

<3 Tony

so how long untill we get to see the awesome power of ye ol AEM?


the harness is done i jsut have to figure out where to mount the aem. i kinda like having my glove compartment so i havent decided. but very soon.

[t3ase]

How big is it? Get me some specs and I'll tell you where it can go. I've torn the car apart completely as far as interior goes.

[terbow]

8L x 6W x 1.5" Tall

thats not including harness clips. those protrude like 1/2" and the wires are small. oh and on the other side is the serial cable so need room for a db9.

i want to keep it close to the ecu as i can but im willing to relocate.

[tekkie]

the harness is done i jsut have to figure out where to mount the aem. i kinda like having my glove compartment so i havent decided. but very soon.

I have a perfect place to mount it, mount it in a box and send it via fedex to me :D

[terbow]

hahaha. sure send me ur block and ill send it right over ;)

[tekkie]

lol, I wont need an aem then haha

[vindication]

I'll send you a block for the AEM
a wooden block
(evil)

[terbow]

haha u guys are great.

[tekkie]

I'll send you a block for the AEM
a wooden block
(evil)

lol thats the same thing I was thinking

[terbow]

you blockheads

http://www.gumbyworld.com/memorylane/imagearchive/block_50s.JPG

[Aric]

well you kindof gave yourself an advantage by making your own plug, You can make the wires as long as you want and mount it anywhere.
It would probably be able to fit under the cupholders.

[terbow]

yea, i was thinking of under there. i ddint know if its to hot tho.

[t3ase]

8L x 6W x 1.5" Tall

thats not including harness clips. those protrude like 1/2" and the wires are small. oh and on the other side is the serial cable so need room for a db9.

i want to keep it close to the ecu as i can but im willing to relocate.
Ok, anywhere near the glovebox is out of the question. There's some space under the cupholders as mentioned, but I'd have to measure for exact positioning. I have that piece out right now so I can measure tomorrow if you'd like. Just remind me tomorrow and I'll go do it. Keep in mind though that there *is* a bit of heat there, but nothing some 80 or 60mm computer fans can't take care of.

You also have under the passenger seat, where my Sirus tuner box is. There's a vent located under the seat which may help with cooling. However, be sure no one will spill drinks there or kick the unit.

There's a slight space under the dash where the foot wells are. There's an ABS plastic piece on each side that's shaped kinda like a triangle where the vents come out. I have some AVC wires hidden there but I'm unsure if you could wedge the unit there.

Driver's side seat is the same deal as passenger side.

There's also space behind the radio console piece on top of the vents where it could be wedged and hidden, but the depth is unknown to me at the moment.

I keep remembering the TC interior, as I've torn in to those so many times when doing installs.

The backseat area is pretty limited but there is a gap between the back dash and plastic overlay. Issue there is heat and lack of ventilation.

You could mount in trunk but that's a LOT of wires to run down the door sill or under carpet, plus that kills ease of use when tuning.

I can't really picture the size you just told me right now for some reason, but I'll go at it tomorrow and see.

A door panel may be another option but again, wires would be an issue.

I'll go look and see when I wake up.

[terbow]

cool thanks. i was thinkin under pass seat too cause theats where my tuner was too. i can bend up a shield or box of sorts for it too so im not worried about spills really. i was just iffy on how to run all 30 wires from the seat to the ecu. i have my rcas on the pass side under the sills so i didnt know if it would interefer with all those signal wires from the aem and make radio noise.

[Aric]

for some reason I was thinking the AEM looked like the emanage and I was about to suggest doing a flush mount in the door of the glovebox, but google images says ye ol AEM is just another metal box like the rest of the standalones out there.

[terbow]

this is what it looks like. keep the drooling to a minimum please.

[t3ase]

cool thanks. i was thinkin under pass seat too cause theats where my tuner was too. i can bend up a shield or box of sorts for it too so im not worried about spills really. i was just iffy on how to run all 30 wires from the seat to the ecu. i have my rcas on the pass side under the sills so i didnt know if it would interefer with all those signal wires from the aem and make radio noise.
Do not run these wires anywhere near signal wires for an amp. Do it two ways depending on amount of wires needing to be extended or run:
a) Relocate RCAs to driver's side. If the amp's just powering subs, interference will be minimal as long as decent wires are being run.
b) Remove pass seat during install, which you'll need to do anyway, along with center console. Run AEM wires up towards console, back to the front of the car, and to the right where the ECU is, assuming these are going to the ECU. The only tight area you'll hit is where the little armrest box is.

[Killer 8]

I was going to suggest putting it on the back side of the golve box so you can still use the glove box and will be able to get to the AEM when needed the only thing is that with the added weight you will have to be easy when opening it and closing it. that is where i would try to put it or at least see ho it would fit & look. Depends on how you route the wires though.

[terbow]

thoguht of that too. good idea.

[t3ase]

I was going to suggest putting it on the back side of the golve box so you can still use the glove box and will be able to get to the AEM when needed the only thing is that with the added weight you will have to be easy when opening it and closing it. that is where i would try to put it or at least see ho it would fit & look. Depends on how you route the wires though.
Don't think there's enough room due to the dash renforcement bar.

[Mr.Win]

Id take out the pass air bag and put it in there.

[Dexter]

Id take out the pass air bag and put it in there.

lol (fu)

[Aric]

werd

[KzA]

IIRC thats what that Philly P5 gangster dude did that had the AEM from wagner..

[t3ase]

IIRC thats what that Philly P5 gangster dude did that had the AEM from wagner..
If you ever mention Philly again in regards to what someone SHOULD do to their car, I will personally ban you for fifteen years. (blarg)

(evil)

[Dexter]

yeah im pretty sure corwin was joking. if not then im gonna fuck his scrotum.

[KzA]

hahahahahahaah touche touche

[CasopoliS]

cant wait for the final pictures

... and a full wire diagram
... and install instructions
... and a base map

haha j/k good luck with the rest of it!

[Mr.Win]

yeah im pretty sure corwin was joking. if not then im gonna fuck his scrotum.

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[Dexter]

lol

[t3ase]

Mike Jones is no longer available to <i>hit up on the low</i>, I guess because he finally <i>blow</i>.

[Jeph]

Mmmm its looking good. I still haven't gotten mine in, but soon, very soon...

[METAL]

you should just run the wires inside the center console,then to under the seat.

[RyanJayG]

I'd just like to mention that I love my AEM also, I just haven't permanently mounted it yet. I have some good length on my leads so I have some flexability. I'll let you guys know where I mount it after my car gets out of the shop from kids knocking the mirror off on superbowl sunday.

lol


the AEM is a fantastic unit, and when you start off with a rough auto-tune, change the auto-tune settings to be more finite, then turn on O2 feedback control you can get pretty damn close to your target O2's with little or no effort.

[CasopoliS]

OMG
^^^^^^^^^^^^
hottest avatar ever. Got to be. Please tell me you took that picture.

[RyanJayG]

if you dont mind me lying then I'll say yes....

[terbow]

ok i decided. back of glove box. pics to follow.

[Killer 8]

coo

[terbow]

its mounted....almost there mwhahaahahaha

[CasopoliS]

its mounted....almost there mwhahaahahaha

just mount it already... then take pics
mount it!

[terbow]

it IS mounted. reread! ;)

[t3ase]

So it cleared with all of the heater/vent stuff behind it?

[terbow]

yea so far, i havent run the cables but it seems like theres enough room im gonna get under tehre with a flashlight and make sure i have ample clearance.

[505zoom]

Sweet. Anxiously awaiting the pics... probably won't be up until I am back on the road to get home though.:(

[terbow]

ok apparently hte back of the glovebox is just flimsy so it WAS hitting the heater stuff, and bending the back of glovebox to make it fit, back to thedrawing board. it fits kinda but its too close for comfort!

[vindication]

you know how the whole center console is removable? well down after the shifter by the feet on the passanger side, place it on the interior there. it should have plenty of room behind it. at least it looked like it when I removed it whenever I clean the whole entire car every spring

[terbow]

yea i may do that, im gonna make it inconspicuious so if someone robs the car they dont rip it out of the glove box. thanks for the ideas.

[t3ase]

told ya. :D

I can go try to snap pics of the center console area, as I have parts of it removed. Would that help?

[terbow]

sure if u want. is it an ok idea to put it there?

[anarchistchiken]

Might get hot sitting on the exhaust tunnel, but I don't really forsee any problems, just make sure you insulate the metal under it and vent the compartment well.

[terbow]

hmm. noted.

[CasopoliS]

buy another glovebox and modify it?

[terbow]

maybe ill just suck it up and put it in the glove box hahaha

[Jeph]

Mine is going into my glovebox

[terbow]

yea i think mine is too im tired of making stealth installs, i just want it in.

i already have brackets made for it so mine as well.

[bazooka joe]

how far away are you from finishing this up tony?

[RyanJayG]

mine is currently installed nicely on the passenger floor... lol... actually I do need to mount it, but I did a lot of research on it, helping Beau make them wire up smoothly, so mine isn't as pretty as I would like it... so its still un mounted so I can make everything work and be neat. then I'll mount it up behind the glovebox area.

[t3ase]

Personally, I'd mount it in the center console, then run a short serial or whatever connection it is and flush mount it to inside of the armrest console. Then, you have a completely hidden install but open up the arm rest when you need to hook up to it. :)

[terbow]

well maybe ill look into that one too. theres definately no room behind the glove box.

[terbow]

how far away are you from finishing this up tony?

Once i mount the box, i just have to run the wires for the pressure sensor. the weathers been uncalled for here so its been a slow process. plus this weekend were supposed to get like 10" wtf

[bazooka joe]

ya, i here you...i wanted to do some work myslef so i best get it in today! i heard 14" by the way....?

[terbow]

yea 12-15 i heard by tommorow night. so i guess im not mounting anything.

[KzA]

im not mounting anything.


It can wait..mount someone instead(hump_

[terbow]

haha howd i know that was comein lol

[t3ase]

haha howd i know that was comein lol
....yet you're still online.

Do you realize there are those of us who are single and would be more than happy to b...er...nevermind. :)

[terbow]

psst. working. im only on here when i work so there!

[t3ase]

psst. working. im only on here when i work so there!
(boom7)

[pdhaudio83]

post pics.

i dont care how far or how little snow you have

POST PICS!!! lol

[t3ase]

By the way, the AC vent is near the front of the console piece that you may be putting it under. A sharp razor blade to cut the vent and possibly some engineering on your part with flexible hose or similar may help with temps.

[terbow]

haha what u dont like suspense?


post pics.

i dont care how far or how little snow you have

POST PICS!!! lol

[Mr.Win]

question... how wide is it? Could you put it above the radio so the serial ports face out? Maybe even keep the MSP door there- just a thought.

[terbow]

I have my gauges in the 2nd din.

its like 8x6x1.5

[Mr.Win]

The whole thing or where the serial connections are?

[terbow]

thats just the box size. not counting connectors

[terbow]

its installed! not sayin where tho so pat can wonder :)

[Haze20]

What did you do mount it to your cubicle?

[terbow]

damn. that was a good idea.

[Haze20]

speaking of your cubicle did you ever get your decals done for the site?

[KzA]

ahh, youd have to get the correct pin for the harness and then attach it to the wire. im not sure where youd get one. however let me see if i can take mine apart since im using the aem i have extras, if i can get it out ill send it to ya. then you just have to solder the wire to wire.


got it today..Thanks bro!

[terbow]

no prob, you may have to remove the heatshrink, i didnt think that the hole might be too small to slide it though. no biggie there though.

[bazooka joe]

update tony?

[terbow]

got my map sensor on fri, so i ran all the wires, its been blistering cold lately so i havent been able to work on it like i wanted to. but aem is in, all the wires are run. i just have to solder them together cause i put it under the seat. but i have to wait for it to not be 20 deg out cause its too freakin cold.

[bazooka joe]

ya, it's been cold alright! keep us updated...i still wanna get together and see this thing!!

[terbow]

yea definately. When i get a house it better have a garage! this driveway shit is for the birds!

[CasopoliS]

I keep checking back to find pictures.....

[Mr.Win]

me too

[terbow]

haha soon. i didnt want to just show 1 pic a week. so ill show em when its done. blame winter!!

[vindication]

2 words: space heater. get that sucker plugged in and full blast and git out durr.

[terbow]

in the driveway? hmm. maybe ill have to look into that.

[vindication]

thats what my dads friend who is a mechanic used to do before he got hurt and was forced to retire. he used to do side jobs and even in the winter in the driveway. set up the space heater(a nice one) and get to work.

p.s. and this is when we used to have winter. not like this year where it's just a chilly fall. hah

[t3ase]

in the driveway? hmm. maybe ill have to look into that.
Any chance you can scan in an example harness wire with the connection you had to use? I'm curious as to how they go in and hold to the harness.

[Jeph]

Sweet, mine should be done soon too. Mine will be mounted in the glovebox though i think.
Are you going to run staged boost?

[terbow]

Any chance you can scan in an example harness wire with the connection you had to use? I'm curious as to how they go in and hold to the harness.


not sure what u mean exactly but i have some pics. basically, some wires are shared (like reference, and pwr wires), the sensor wires need to be cut cause the piggy or standalone ems uses the sensors.

for example the MPI you cut say a red wire, then u have an ecu side and sensor side, the mpi goes to both ends and kind of intercepts in the middle, whereas the standalone would only use the sensor side and cut the ecu right out of the loop altogther.

[t3ase]

not sure what u mean exactly but i have some pics. basically, some wires are shared (like reference, and pwr wires), the sensor wires need to be cut cause the piggy or standalone ems uses the sensors.

for example the MPI you cut say a red wire, then u have an ecu side and sensor side, the mpi goes to both ends and kind of intercepts in the middle, whereas the standalone would only use the sensor side and cut the ecu right out of the loop altogther.
Er, I understand that.

I was moreso talking about the harness connectors you mentioned near the very first of the thread.

[terbow]

oh, well i dont know offhand, id have to kinda make something up. i was thinkin like gm weatherpacks. maybe put sensor side with a male, and a female on the ecu side and ems side. so u can switch them out.

[terbow]

Updated first post

[Dexter]

Shit...did you use CAT5 for the outgoing connections?

[terbow]

no, all 18ga AWG. cat 5, oy the horrible image u just put through my head!

[Dexter]

lol..dude...i have the same fucking "shopping is fun again" old navy bag on my floor too...stupid GF....haha....

18AWG solid core or stranded? It sorta looks solid core from the pics, and if thats the case, you're fucking insane...

[terbow]

no no, its stranded. hahaha im not crazy. yea i got a matching old navy bag that melted to my exhaust system, bastards. *shakes fist*

[Dexter]

cool. time to TB? haha jk

[KzA]

heh..I just pulled apart an extra P5 ECU I have layin around..

Its interesting, feels like the entire board has been coated with hot glue haha. how the hell did you seperate the board from the interior metal?

[terbow]

i unscrewd it and pryed it up slowly. and yea its all coated.

[terbow]

cool. time to TB? haha jk

mmm i wish.

[terbow]

m0r pIct0rs

[Peepsalot]

That's a lot of wires. (omg) Looks like it's finally coming together.

[bazooka joe]

nice work tony!!!

[vindication]

I'm going to need an address so I can verify this up close and personal...and a time when you go to sleep

[KzA]

hmm for some reason I cant see those pics

[terbow]

I'm going to need an address so I can verify this up close and personal...and a time when you go to sleep

I never sleep (boom6)

[terbow]

hmm for some reason I cant see those pics

hmm i dunno. they work for me.

[Peepsalot]

hmm for some reason I cant see those pics
He added the pics to the first post, not post #142

[MetalSPEED]

looks nice hehe that's alot of work

[KzA]

ha...I hope it works the first time you try it..otherwise thats going to be a hell of a time trying to find that wiring problem hah

[terbow]

I triple checked everything cause thats exactly what happends with me. i make shit look pretty and somethings wrong. itll work. if not im gonna give the middle finger to inspection and just wire it in.

[terbow]

looks nice hehe that's alot of work

thanks. it does seem like alot. it didnt seem too bad to me, maybe i enjoy it too much ahahah.

[MetalSPEED]

i wired my mpi 3 times and, even though it was that much fun being stuck in there soldering wires ... i didn't mind. not that i enjoyed working on it that much and the oh so lovely smell of burning flux, but it wasn't that bad. i also kinda like doing that kind of stuff :)

if i can get my hand on a spare connector like that i may make the same thing for my mpi so i can disconnect it or something. just for the hell of it

[terbow]

yea its not bad cept the end with the pins. that made me sad.

[Peepsalot]

i wired my mpi 3 times and, even though it was that much fun being stuck in there soldering wires ... i didn't mind. not that i enjoyed working on it that much and the oh so lovely smell of burning flux, but it wasn't that bad. i also kinda like doing that kind of stuff :)

if i can get my hand on a spare connector like that i may make the same thing for my mpi so i can disconnect it or something. just for the hell of it
i like the smell of burning flux (shrug)

Smells like progress!

[terbow]

haha yea i found myself sniffing the tufts of smoke rising everyonce and a while. good stuff.

[bazooka joe]

how's the stand alone coming tony??

[terbow]

well now thats its sunny out i can actually work on it. it idles fine, all systems go so i just have to tune it.

[Dexter]

cool

[Jeph]

Guess we're both running behind schedule huh

[terbow]

yea, well i have no shop :) if its raining im SOL

[Jeph]

LOL, I'm anxiously awaiting mine. Mid next week hopefully? We're tuning it for 12-14 psi :)

[terbow]

woot! im not raising mine till the engine comes.

[Mr.Win]

Going Where?

[terbow]

Going Where?

what u talkin about? ;)

[MetalSPEED]

bahhhh at least you guys have your cars ... mine's still being fixed right now.
i'll have to pass by the garage next week to go make sure the guy is actually working on it

[terbow]

whats wrong with it?

[vindication]

it's a MSP (poke)

[terbow]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh snaps.

[MetalSPEED]

lol when i blew my engine last year, one shop rebuilt it and another (closer to my house) put the engine back in the car but fucked something up and the engine overheated right away. so right now, that guy is paying for another engine rebuild. it's almost done ... about a week or two and i should have the car back

[terbow]

oh man that sucks.