(Performance) How To: Turbo Oil Lines

[BRIAN MP5T]

Here is a HOW TO thread that I have made after "F-ing" around for a lot of time making it for the MP5T, hope it saves a ton of time for anyone who wants to "Custom Turbo".

There are several options when considering your Turbo Bering Oil feed and return lines.

This will be considered as a "BEST CASE SENARIO" . I realise that not everyone has the desire to spend as much on things or is interested in the Best solution at all cost so bear in mind that my solution might be overpriced in your opinion.

First, The Turbo is fed by oil from the engine and that oil is abused and turned into a milky white puss by the turbo berings spinning at as much as 125,000 RPM. This oil/puss is retuned to the oil pan and filtered and sent through again either to the engine or the turbo.

Q1: Where Do I get the oil from?
A1: On the back of the block, there are two sensors; the one closest to the Oil Filter is the one that triggers your Low Oil Pressure Light on the Dash, That's a good start. Get the fitting that fits the 1/8" Hole to an AN-4 Hose Fitting.

Q2: Why does the Oil Return Line Have to be so much larger than the Inlet?
A2: The Oil coming out of the housing is thrashed by the Bering and moves slowly. It needs to be able to be pulled by gravity and Air must be able to move up the line at the same time so there is no backpressure to prevent the oil from returning to the oil pan. Overlooking this step could result in inadequate oil supply and Bering failure due to starvation.

Q3: Why did you decide to Retun the oil to the Crank Support rather than the oil pan?
A3: As stated earlier, The oil return line must have air at the base, so for best results, the line should be as high away from the oil in the pan as possibe. It is possible to tap this adaptor to the oil pan but, make it as high as possible. I do not recomend this. The MSP returns the oil to the Crank Support Plate, Not the pan for a reason.

Q4: What Happens to the Oil Pressure Sending Unit after It's removed for the Oil Line?
A4: It gets placed into Fitting FBM2818 and hooked up to the wire again unless you have an Autometer Oil Pressure Gauge in Mind, then leave the stock sensor in the garbage and disconnect the line (The light will not come on if the pressure drops so keep an eye on the gauge)

Q5: Are You Obsessive Compulsive Brian?
A5: Yes, I'm the king of Overkill.

When you are building the Oil Supply Line. Make two Seperate Lines. A Short One With two straight Ends and a Long One with a 90 Deg and a Straight end. Join the two with the Tee Fitting that the oil sending unit fits into.

Here is what you need to do it like I did.

All Prices were from SUMMIT RACING...

Type the AER-******* Code in the Summit Part# Box to Find.

http://store.summitracing.com

Oil Line Parts...

(1) $15.00 US -- 1X AER-FCM1031 Fitting, Hose End, 90 Degree, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each
(1) $25.00 US -- 1x AER-FCA0406 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -4 AN, 6 Ft. Length, Each
(1) $16.95 US -- 1x AER-FBM2818 Fitting, Adapter, Female Pipe Flare Tee -4 AN, 1/8 in. NPT, -4 AN, Steel, Each
(3) $7.88 US -- 3x AER-FBM1011 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each

Oil Return Parts...

(1) $19.00 US -- 1X AER-FCA1003 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -10 AN, 3 Ft. Length, Each (You Can Cut Shorter)
(2) $9.25 US -- 2X AER-FCM1014 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -10 AN, -10 AN Adapter, Aluminum, Red/Blue, Each
(1) $15.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2024 Fitting, Adapter, 45 Degree -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each
(1) $6.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2009 Fitting, Adapter, Straight -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each


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[BRIAN MP5T]

Here is a HOW TO thread that I have made after "F-ing" around for a lot of time making it for the MP5T, hope it saves a ton of time for anyone who wants to "Custom Turbo".

There are several options when considering your Turbo Bering Oil feed and return lines.

This will be considered as a "BEST CASE SENARIO" . I realise that not everyone has the desire to spend as much on things or is interested in the Best solution at all cost so bear in mind that my solution might be overpriced in your opinion.

First, The Turbo is fed by oil from the engine and that oil is abused and turned into a milky white puss by the turbo berings spinning at as much as 125,000 RPM. This oil/puss is retuned to the oil pan and filtered and sent through again either to the engine or the turbo.

Q1: Where Do I get the oil from?
A1: On the back of the block, there are two sensors; the one closest to the Oil Filter is the one that triggers your Low Oil Pressure Light on the Dash, That's a good start. Get the fitting that fits the 1/8" Hole to an AN-4 Hose Fitting.

Q2: Why does the Oil Return Line Have to be so much larger than the Inlet?
A2: The Oil coming out of the housing is thrashed by the Bering and moves slowly. It needs to be able to be pulled by gravity and Air must be able to move up the line at the same time so there is no backpressure to prevent the oil from returning to the oil pan. Overlooking this step could result in inadequate oil supply and Bering failure due to starvation.

Q3: Why did you decide to Retun the oil to the Crank Support rather than the oil pan?
A3: As stated earlier, The oil return line must have air at the base, so for best results, the line should be as high away from the oil in the pan as possibe. It is possible to tap this adaptor to the oil pan but, make it as high as possible. I do not recomend this. The MSP returns the oil to the Crank Support Plate, Not the pan for a reason.

Q4: What Happens to the Oil Pressure Sending Unit after It's removed for the Oil Line?
A4: It gets placed into Fitting FBM2818 and hooked up to the wire again unless you have an Autometer Oil Pressure Gauge in Mind, then leave the stock sensor in the garbage and disconnect the line (The light will not come on if the pressure drops so keep an eye on the gauge)

Q5: Are You Obsessive Compulsive Brian?
A5: Yes, I'm the king of Overkill.

When you are building the Oil Supply Line. Make two Seperate Lines. A Short One With two straight Ends and a Long One with a 90 Deg and a Straight end. Join the two with the Tee Fitting that the oil sending unit fits into.

Here is what you need to do it like I did.

All Prices were from SUMMIT RACING...

Type the AER-******* Code in the Summit Part# Box to Find.

http://store.summitracing.com

Oil Line Parts...

(1) $15.00 US -- 1X AER-FCM1031 Fitting, Hose End, 90 Degree, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each
(1) $25.00 US -- 1x AER-FCA0406 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -4 AN, 6 Ft. Length, Each
(1) $16.95 US -- 1x AER-FBM2818 Fitting, Adapter, Female Pipe Flare Tee -4 AN, 1/8 in. NPT, -4 AN, Steel, Each
(3) $7.88 US -- 3x AER-FBM1011 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each

Oil Return Parts...

(1) $19.00 US -- 1X AER-FCA1003 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -10 AN, 3 Ft. Length, Each (You Can Cut Shorter)
(2) $9.25 US -- 2X AER-FCM1014 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -10 AN, -10 AN Adapter, Aluminum, Red/Blue, Each
(1) $15.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2024 Fitting, Adapter, 45 Degree -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each
(1) $6.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2009 Fitting, Adapter, Straight -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each


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[BRIAN MP5T]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Engine%201.jpg

Update. Here is the finished Product...

[BRIAN MP5T]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Engine%201.jpg

Update. Here is the finished Product...

[bazooka joe]

i gotta do this!

[bazooka joe]

i gotta do this!

[BRIAN MP5T]

Two years and running strong..

[BRIAN MP5T]

Two years and running strong..

[KzA]

how much of a job would it be to get to that crank support plate with the engine in the car though..Would that come right after dropping the pan?

Happen to know how much a stock oil pan from a junkyard goes for?

[KzA]

how much of a job would it be to get to that crank support plate with the engine in the car though..Would that come right after dropping the pan?

Happen to know how much a stock oil pan from a junkyard goes for?

[BRIAN MP5T]

how much of a job would it be to get to that crank support plate with the engine in the car though..Would that come right after dropping the pan?

Happen to know how much a stock oil pan from a junkyard goes for?

There are Two Types, One has better supports. The plate has 2x 10mm bolts that sit on the flywheel side of the motor, inside the clutch bell. The engine has to be supported from the top and seperated about 4 inches from the tranny to remove them. This is not an option. People have drilled holes in the bell but I do not recomend that. All large bolts that hold the two have to be removed totally. The Tranny will continue to be supported from the three mounts and the mount on the Pass side has to be removed completely. It sounds like alot, but it's not that bad. It would be easier to punch it into the oilpan but as I said, that is under the oil line and less desireable.

[BRIAN MP5T]

how much of a job would it be to get to that crank support plate with the engine in the car though..Would that come right after dropping the pan?

Happen to know how much a stock oil pan from a junkyard goes for?

There are Two Types, One has better supports. The plate has 2x 10mm bolts that sit on the flywheel side of the motor, inside the clutch bell. The engine has to be supported from the top and seperated about 4 inches from the tranny to remove them. This is not an option. People have drilled holes in the bell but I do not recomend that. All large bolts that hold the two have to be removed totally. The Tranny will continue to be supported from the three mounts and the mount on the Pass side has to be removed completely. It sounds like alot, but it's not that bad. It would be easier to punch it into the oilpan but as I said, that is under the oil line and less desireable.

[KzA]

well..the only reason I ask is because right now I have an oil pan with a leaky oil return tap and a leaky oil temp gauge tap and I would love to just replace the pan and tap at a better location for the turbo..The idea of removing those bolts to seperate the engine and trans on jackstands horrifies me, though. I did it on the lift at MPI when I did my clutch, and that was difficult enough.

Which car has the plate with better supports? Would it be significantly beneficial to upgrade if I have the weaker?

[KzA]

well..the only reason I ask is because right now I have an oil pan with a leaky oil return tap and a leaky oil temp gauge tap and I would love to just replace the pan and tap at a better location for the turbo..The idea of removing those bolts to seperate the engine and trans on jackstands horrifies me, though. I did it on the lift at MPI when I did my clutch, and that was difficult enough.

Which car has the plate with better supports? Would it be significantly beneficial to upgrade if I have the weaker?

[BRIAN MP5T]

Here is a better place for your oil temp...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Porsche%20-%20(63).jpg

Oil Filter Adaptor.

[BRIAN MP5T]

Here is a better place for your oil temp...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Porsche%20-%20(63).jpg

Oil Filter Adaptor.

[BRIAN MP5T]

Which car has the plate with better supports? Would it be significantly beneficial to upgrade if I have the weaker?

Anything after 2001 2.0L FS should have the update..

Removal of the plate is not Required to tap it, it's a messy job but in a clean garage with a Shop-Vac pulling the filings away, I suppose it could be done attached..

You would have to spray down the crank with some sort of oil in an attempt to catch the rest of the "Dirties"

[BRIAN MP5T]

Which car has the plate with better supports? Would it be significantly beneficial to upgrade if I have the weaker?

Anything after 2001 2.0L FS should have the update..

Removal of the plate is not Required to tap it, it's a messy job but in a clean garage with a Shop-Vac pulling the filings away, I suppose it could be done attached..

You would have to spray down the crank with some sort of oil in an attempt to catch the rest of the "Dirties"

[KzA]

You state in your post that the MSP returns oil to the crank support plate. Would you agree that it would probably be best for me to just source a plate from a MSP since I own a 2001? It would already be tapped, but the right size?

[KzA]

You state in your post that the MSP returns oil to the crank support plate. Would you agree that it would probably be best for me to just source a plate from a MSP since I own a 2001? It would already be tapped, but the right size?

[BRIAN MP5T]

You state in your post that the MSP returns oil to the crank support plate. Would you agree that it would probably be best for me to just source a plate from a MSP since I own a 2001? It would already be tapped, but the right size?

When the oil pan is off, if the bottom of plate is flat like the one in the pictures.., then you have the update. I have seen more new than old on the 2001.

I really think that you can do it attached, just take your time and make sure that you get the threads on correctly centered the first time.

[BRIAN MP5T]

You state in your post that the MSP returns oil to the crank support plate. Would you agree that it would probably be best for me to just source a plate from a MSP since I own a 2001? It would already be tapped, but the right size?

When the oil pan is off, if the bottom of plate is flat like the one in the pictures.., then you have the update. I have seen more new than old on the 2001.

I really think that you can do it attached, just take your time and make sure that you get the threads on correctly centered the first time.

[Aric]

great writeup

Ken and i will have to do somthing similar to his car as the oil return on his BEGI kit leaks like mad.

[Aric]

great writeup

Ken and i will have to do somthing similar to his car as the oil return on his BEGI kit leaks like mad.