Thinking of turbo! What do I need!

[stolzie]

Hi All,

Well have been toying around with the idea I want to add some boost to my car (1.8L ford KN laser running FP engine) either by turbo or supercharger.

I have had a look around at the various options that are currently out there, hi boost, aaw racing, etc,

Due to shipping costs, and import duties, I have worked out it may be a cheaper alternative to go with a custom job.

So here is where the fun bit begins. I have started making a list of things that I may need to get to complete the job or even get started.

So far the list consists of:

*****Turbo bits******

T25 turbo maybe possible external wastegate but may have internal job
3"dump to cat
turbo manifold have option of obx or custom or ?????
intercooler
intercooler piping
oil lines for turbo
coolant lines for turbo
oil line fittings
and coolant fittings
wideband o2 sensor
oil pressure restrictor on oil lines for turbo
blow off valve

aftermarket ecu possibly haltech or microtech lt-8
boost controller
boost gauge

***** Engine bits ******

Internals, forged pistons
Fuel regulator
Fuel Pump
Bigger injectors
Head port / polish


Obviously time and effort

Is there anything that I have missed from the list or anything else that needs to be added please comment.

Any other comments or suggestions are also welcome.

Cheers

Stolzie

[kansei]

here are my comments having gone through this same process on my FS (same engine.. different rods and such)



*****Turbo bits******

T25 turbo maybe possible external wastegate but may have internal job
3"dump to cat -- external wastegates are nice, most T25s just have an internal though. you can always have it welded shut though :)
turbo manifold have option of obx or custom or ????? --If you know a decent place to fab a manifold I wouldn't touch the OBX. I've heard they're very weak.
intercooler --the hiboost intercooler is nice, but the piping it comes with won't work obviously if you have a custom setup. Well the pipe from the intercooler to the throttle body might if you have the same intake manifold as the North American FS-DE engine.
intercooler piping
oil lines for turbo --go braided stainless for EVERYTHING. Like a -3AN or -4AN line for the oil feed, a -10AN for the drain.. drain to the absolute top of the oil pan, or even better drill into the aluminum piece between the pan and the block 'crankcase support' or something is what it is called. Of course, those AN measurements might mean nothing to you, it's probably a U.S. only crap measurement system.. All I know is that the number is in 16ths of an inch, don't know why it's negative.. lol stupid U.S. systems
coolant lines for turbo -- There's easy places to source and return coolant from. The throttle body has coolant lines going to it, you can just steal both of them and send them to the turbo :)
oil line fittings
and coolant fittings
wideband o2 sensor --I recommend the NGK Powerdex AFX solely because you can pull out the ash tray next to the 12v socket and it fits right in it's place :)
oil pressure restrictor on oil lines for turbo --Depends on the turbo. A GT25R, GT28RS, or any other dual ball bearing turbo doesn't need much oil pressure so you'll want one.
blow off valve --Don't get the HKS SSQV if you want it to be quiet haha.

aftermarket ecu possibly haltech or microtech lt-8 --good choices.. why are all the good standalone ECUs Australian? I never understood that.
boost controller
boost gauge

***** Engine bits ******

Internals, forged pistons
Fuel regulator
Fuel Pump
Bigger injectors
Head port / polish


Obviously time and effort

Is there anything that I have missed from the list or anything else that needs to be added please comment.

Any other comments or suggestions are also welcome.

Cheers

Stolzie[/quote]

Depending on the power levels you are looking for, you may not need forged internals. If you are getting forged internals, you can magically make your engine a 2.0 :)

[stolzie]

Hi Kansei,

Thanks for the reply. :thumb:

Still playing around with what turbo's would suit the car and how much boost I would be looking for / wanting.

TD04's is another one I am currently looking at as I know a lot of subbie boys that are running them and could get a great second hand one for a decent price.


I also have heard / read on other forums about the mixed results about the obx headers/manifolds, but it would probably be better to get custom anyway.

Intercooler stuff should be easy to get a hold off and adapt to fit.

All oil lines would definately be stainless. I don't think there is any other way to do it properly.

Thanks for the recommendation on the NGK Powerdex AFx. Will have to look into it, and see how much I can get them here for.

Blow off valves aren't legal here in Australia, so I would prefer to get a quiet one or even set up a plum back system!

I am not sure why all good standalone ECU's are australian. Maybe they got the shits, and decided to build quality.


With the forged internals? are you running them on your car? and I know that I could magically make my car into a 2L ;)

Once again thanks for the information. hopefully a few more posts and I can have some $$$$$$ figures up.

Cheers

Stolzie

[kirkcummins]

stolzie, do they have any GTR trannys in Australia. are they hard to source. want to do a conversion myself. http://forum.protege323.com/viewtopic.php?t=1111
god luck on ur project, just make sure u post some updates

[kansei]

No I'm not running forged internals on my car.. I am trying to keep the power low enough that it isn't an issue (5.5psi .. 0.38bar) :)

Don't forget that you'll need a new clutch!

I don't know if blow-off valves are legal here either but I haven't had any trouble. Most popular blow-off valves can be recirculated ('plumb back'), including the HKS SSQV and the Greddy one

[stolzie]

stolzie, do they have any GTR trannys in Australia. are they hard to source. want to do a conversion myself. http://forum.protege323.com/viewtopic.php?t=1111
god luck on ur project, just make sure u post some updates

Hey mate, they do have GTR tranny's here in Australia, I believe they are getting harder to source though.

There are a lot of guys here buying the imported halfcuts and just using the motor for there FWD drive cars and selling of the 4WD boxes.
www.fordlaser.com (http://www.fordlaser.com) or there are a few import places here like

adelaide jap - http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/
sss imports - http://www.sssautomotive.com.au/
rolin imports - http://www.japparts.com.au/

New zealand is the place to get 4wd parts from. trademe nz is a fairly good website.

I should of posted all this stuff in your thread, but I will keep it here.

I will also try and keep updates coming


No I'm not running forged internals on my car.. I am trying to keep the power low enough that it isn't an issue (5.5psi .. 0.38bar) :)

Don't forget that you'll need a new clutch!

I don't know if blow-off valves are legal here either but I haven't had any trouble. Most popular blow-off valves can be recirculated ('plumb back'), including the HKS SSQV and the Greddy one

Hey Kansei,

You happy with the performance you get from 5psi?

I also ran through some of the specs on your car and see that you are running a callaway manifold. Are these of the mazdaspeed version? and are they easy to come by? Also are there any hassles in bolting these up?

That is enough questions, thanks for your information that you have given me so far.

Cheers

Stolzie

[kansei]

Yeah, the callaway manifold is what was developed for the Mazdaspeed Protege. They pop up for sale from time to time on www.toprotege.com (http://www.toprotege.com) and of course www.msprotege.com (http://www.msprotege.com), but they are a very, very heavy piece of cast iron so shipping would be crazy.

the reasons I went for the callaway manifold are that it flows VERY well (I know of two professional Protege race cars using the stock callaway manifold and stock turbo), and also that I could get a pre-made downpipe since it's the stock piece. I got the corksport downpipe, though I wouldn't recommend it because it cracks so easily.

That's another thing you need to make sure you have done before you turbo.. a full, free-er flowing exhaust system :)

[stolzie]

Hi guys,

Been searching around a bit on a few forums and I can't seem to find any pictures of the callaway manifolds except for this one

http://www.protege323.com/content/34_performance/performance_engine/turbokit_0000-01-3951-kt.jpg

If any one has any detailed pics of this manifold it would be great. I just want to know if the runners are all the same length down to the turbo?

Cheers

Stolzie

[kansei]

I have pics!

http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/ ... 1490093586 (http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProjectDays68Progress/photo#5016405371490093586)

not equal length sadly.. but it's a very good manifold regardless.

[stolzie]

I have pics!

http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/ ... 1490093586 (http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProjectDays68Progress/photo#5016405371490093586)

not equal length sadly.. but it's a very good manifold regardless.

Cheers mate!

exactly what I have been looking for.

Thanks again

Stolzie

[BRIAN MP5T]

I have pics too...


http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Picture%203.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Picture%204.jpg

[stolzie]

Thanks brian,

That's a different place for the turbo to go. makes things much easier to work on.

Cheers

Stolzie

[BRIAN MP5T]

It's simple and the best part is that...


Open you hood and show it to someone...

Even if they know nothing about cars, they know that this one is modified..

:)

[stolzie]

Hi guys,

Well here is a bit of an update.

I have got my hands on an exhaust manifold with the subaru VF flange, it is being shipped as we speak.

http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/bd/fc/13a4_2.JPG

and have also got two td04, both have blown turbo seals. But they will help me work out where to route the piping for the intercooler and intake. Are blown turbo seals easy to replace, or am I better off getting a new turbo or rebuild these old ones?

Looking around at intercoolers at the moment, not sure what size to get. As I haven't taken any measurements on what will fit under the stock bumper.

I have had a look at the high-boost intercooler and that is 22" x 6.5" x 2.5", there is one currently going on ebay in australia. for $100AUD
which is 550 x 140 x 65 ( 21.7" x 5.5" x 2.6")

Might get out the measuring tape and see if it will be a good size.

What size intercoolers are you guys running over there?

Will post up some pic's when the manifold arrives, which should be sometime this week.

Cheers

Stolzie