Nitrous and Rx8(Rotary)

[jungleagent]

So I am planning on a new project this summer. That would be to put a Nitrous system on my 8. Is there anyone here that has any experience mixing Nitrous and a rotary engine?

If not well I will try to document everything if I do decide to go nitrous instead of FI.

[fez]

cheater. :screwy:


:P
:D

I'd like to see the outcome though.

[SpooledupRacing]

I have put a dry setup on a rx7 it was fast as hell... did not last long..

you are going to run wet... I think getting the system hooked up will be a fun enough task.. then u need to go get it dyno tuned otherwise it will be an EXPENSIVE lesson.

[GOTBOOST]

So I am planning on a new project this summer. That would be to put a Nitrous system on my 8. Is there anyone here that has any experience mixing Nitrous and a rotary engine?

If not well I will try to document everything if I do decide to go nitrous instead of FI.
I'm thinking big turbo!!! don't play around with the juice go for the blow.:hump2:

[jungleagent]

Hey Dave you coming to the meet tonight? There is a RR show this saturday that i am going to if you are interested we can meet up first before we head out.

[jungleagent]

I have put a dry setup on a rx7 it was fast as hell... did not last long..

you are going to run wet... I think getting the system hooked up will be a fun enough task.. then u need to go get it dyno tuned otherwise it will be an EXPENSIVE lesson.

Hopefully its just a fun lesson now expensive. =)

[jungleagent]

I'm thinking big turbo!!! don't play around with the juice go for the blow.:hump2:

Im thinking big turbo first but I dont have deep pockets. Juice is a 1/4 of a price compared to turbo.

[GOTBOOST]

I hear that .... but they are so dam sexy on a rotary!!!

[jungleagent]

Purging is whats sexy!

[GOTBOOST]

yeah dat too!!! "F" it you need both

[jungleagent]

lol your right i do need both.

[SpooledupRacing]

RR show whats that? when and where?

[jungleagent]

Ruff Ryders. 28th and East Belt Line. 3-7pm Saturday 5/17/2008. We will be meeting at the new spot and plan to head out there around 3-4. I will let you know excatly later tonight. You are coming out tonight right?

[SpooledupRacing]

rough riders... Yeah I'm not looking to join anyone elses "group"

I'll be out tonight if the rain stays away..

[Riken]

I wouldnt go nitros, turbo would be a better route.

[jungleagent]

no one said you had to "join" another group. They are doing a FREE car show there and everyone is invited to go.

[jungleagent]

I wouldnt go nitros, turbo would be a better route.

Your right. The more I read into it, to get everything together, tuned,installed,set-up by a professional its about the same if I went turbo.

[SpooledupRacing]

Your right. The more I read into it, to get everything together, tuned,installed,set-up by a professional its about the same if I went turbo.

true that..


tonight it is supose to rain.

[jungleagent]

Are you sure? Sky is very clear. No clouds where I am looking at.

[pdhaudio83]

i'll be at us131 dragway

[SpooledupRacing]

The only reason you want NOS is because u don't like getting beat by the 7

[jungleagent]

The only reason you want NOS is because u don't like getting beat by the 7

Your funny. I was going to go Nitrous because I thought it might be an more inexpensive way to get more power cheaper. I don't mind getting by your 7. Thats family. I hate getting beat by a Cobalt SS.

Plus if I truly wanted to get beat by your 7 I would have bought a corvette. :smashfreakB:

[SpooledupRacing]

bwahhaha yeah u gots to beat a cobalt! I'm tellin ya better launch FTW

[jungleagent]

DCS and TCS... FTL.

[SpooledupRacing]

true it sure is

[Riken]

turn dcs off lol

[9K Redline]

Nitrous and the 8 can be tricky. I met a guy at HIN Orlando who put a nitrous setup on his white 8 and he has a lag time from button press to spray. He thought it had something to do with the nozzles not being the proper size, but he said it did make a huge difference when it got going. He had a Zex wet kit.

[jungleagent]

I think I am going to hold of on this project for now. Spooledupracing has something brewing up after he is done with his car.

[jungleagent]

With Dave car not in working condition, I think the Spooledupracing will focus its attention towards Dave rx7. So with that said I wil be posting pics in the near future of my secret project I was working on this summer.

[CrashKelly]

if the secret project is attaching a turbonator to an electric supercharger we are all going to be very disappointed!

[SpooledupRacing]

Spooled up Racing is ALWAYS open for business.. just come on down and we will do whatever u need done.. my car is a project

[jungleagent]

Install Done!

[Riken]

Install Done!

Install of..............

[SpooledupRacing]

air filter...

nos bottle subwoofer?

[CrashKelly]

lol!

[SpooledupRacing]

Ah i'm just messing but we all would like to know what it is that u have recently installed..

[jungleagent]

air filter...

nos bottle subwoofer?

hehe Something like that.



Fuel lines.

[SpooledupRacing]

lol oh yeah DEEERRRR...


NOS subwofer fTMFw!! lol

[kansei]

I saw a nos setup on an RX-8 a couple nights ago.

these guys have some stuff for it:
http://blackhaloracing.mazdamaniac.com/

[SpooledupRacing]

BHR is a prices place to buy parts from..

[jungleagent]

BHR is a prices place to buy parts from..

Thats very diplomatic of you. Since we all know that BHR is a competitive parts/vendor for you.

[kansei]

do you sell custom made RX-8 parts dave? Didn't mean to step on your toes, I just thought you dealt in aftermarket replacement parts

[SpooledupRacing]

They are not my competition... my only competition is myself.

I am in the working of doing custom parts for all rotarys right now.. (lots of plans in the works)

I mean to say they are "pricey"

That has nothing to do with me or anyone else just stating fact... they ARE pricey.

I have never dealt with them so on a customer service level I dont know HOWEVER I remember back in the day they did some clutch kits that they said were special made for them... Come to find out they were not and were just the same spec kits I sell for much less..

I wont bad talk any business unless they have it coming.. Then I have been known to be quite open about my feelings.

But I refrain from that now to as it only causes problems.

[jungleagent]

BHR is a prices place to buy parts from..

lol you should change prices to PRICEY. I do agreed in your statement Dave. Thats why I bought them from you.:)

[SpooledupRacing]

na if it sounds better that way then I ll leave it lol...

[CrashKelly]

what the F happened to Dave? He's banned now?

[jungleagent]

I guess. Well we know how Dave is. He is very very opinionated. Sometimes there is nothing wrong with that. Sas he pissed the wrong person.

[jungleagent]

I guess sometimes you have to bite the bullet and swallow your pride.

[CrashKelly]

yeah but who did he piss off....all i heard was something about t shirts...

[kansei]

And something about threatening to break somebody's nose at the meet in Ohio on the 31st over some stupid internet argument. That crap isn't tolerated here.

This thread can go back on topic now..

[01protegemp3]

Ya that aint cool... we cant give TMF a bad name

[CrashKelly]

And something about threatening to break somebody's nose at the meet in Ohio on the 31st over some stupid internet argument. That crap isn't tolerated here.

This thread can go back on topic now..

ok back on topic....NOSSSSS! so seriously jungleagent you put some nos on or what was the addition?

[jungleagent]

And something about threatening to break somebody's nose at the meet in Ohio on the 31st over some stupid internet argument. That crap isn't tolerated here.

This thread can go back on topic now..

LOL really? Wow e-bully in the house. I don't think its him. Have you met the guy? He is little jolly fellow. He is to small to be harmful. Then again you can be a super man online.

[jungleagent]

ok back on topic....NOSSSSS! so seriously jungleagent you put some nos on or what was the addition?

LOL everyone wants to know huh? Don't you listen to Dave? He did say nos+rotary=fail.

I added fuel lines.;)

[01protegemp3]

well a rx-8 on my car club, has nos and it is perfectly fine...

[jungleagent]

well a rx-8 on my car club, has nos and it is perfectly fine...

What shot is he running? What is car club?

[CrashKelly]

LOL everyone wants to know huh? Don't you listen to Dave? He did say nos+rotary=fail.

I added fuel lines.;)

oh ok, my bad....the thread is called nitrous and the rx-8 so i thought that was the big project.

[CrashKelly]

well a rx-8 on my car club, has nos and it is perfectly fine...

is that the dude with the silver 8 on 247? thats the only guy I have heard of that runs nos with an 8. i forget the info on the kit though...like wet/dry, shot, etc.

[jungleagent]

HAHA tell ya what. I won third place last year in the Ruffryders car show. They have another one this saturday. Then I will show you the "project" I have been working on.

[CrashKelly]

HAHA tell ya what. I won third place last year in the Ruffryders car show. They have another one this saturday. Then I will show you the "project" I have been working on.

word

[jungleagent]

There is a few of us who run 8. Now the pioneer who runs all the nos kits for the 8 is a very good friend of mine. HEHE*wink wink*.

[01protegemp3]

um its azmazdaclub.com, and im not sure if he is on 247... let me pull up his info on AZMC (azmazdaclub)

[jungleagent]

is that the dude with the silver 8 on 247? thats the only guy I have heard of that runs nos with an 8. i forget the info on the kit though...like wet/dry, shot, etc.

Would he be in the rx8 forums? Cuz there is only a handful of us who has sumberge in the wonderful world of the 3rd alternate of Forced Induction. Its by splitting molecules.

[CrashKelly]

i dunno, i just occasionally see him on the 247 forums and know he runs the bottle succesfully.

[kansei]

i dunno, i just occasionally see him on the 247 forums and know he runs the bottle succesfully.

he might go by the name Easy_E1..

titanium RX-8

[jungleagent]

Most of the rx8 run a small shot of 55. Safest way to go.

[jungleagent]

However there has been known to go up to 75. NOT RECOMMENDED.

[CrashKelly]

he might go by the name Easy_E1..

titanium RX-8

prolly, i tried to find him over on 247 but i cannot find him...

[jungleagent]

Is there a lot of people go Nitrous with the 3?

[01protegemp3]

ya he's on rx8club.com i think... and chris has the info... thanks chris i couldnt find him O.o

[kansei]

I don't know anyone who has with the 3. I know a couple Protege people who have, but the only way to do it reliably is on a built motor which they both have (both also have turbos)

[jungleagent]

Turbo and Nitrous? Thats insane. Most people I know that run turbo typically use cryO2 or Meth/water injection. Nitrous with turbo means = super lean. The injectors and tuning must be goldy to run safely as a Daily driver.

[kansei]

well you don't run the nitrous daily.. and yeah, they do it with tuning. It's only needed to make the big numbers (500+ whp)

[jungleagent]

I wish the renny can handle that much strain. In time hopefully there should be other methods to reaching those numbers.

[jungleagent]

I finally got a chance to get some a photo after so many months of people pestering me about it.

Sorry its not so clear its a shitty camera.

[Riken]

I finally got a chance to get some a photo after so many months of people pestering me about it.

Sorry its not so clear its a shitty camera.

there goes your engine lol

[jungleagent]

there goes your engine lol

where does it go? lawl? :confused:

[jungleagent]

Im pretty sure it still up front. Between the font axles and the cabin. But I will check for you when I get back to my office.

[jungleagent]

Yep. Still there. :emoticondancer:

[Riken]

Yep. Still there. :emoticondancer:

get back to me after a yr of nitros use.

[jungleagent]

get back to me after a yr of nitros use.

Why is that? Do you have experiene with nitrous? What will happen in a year? Curious to know what you predict? Are you talking about the bottle or the engine? Are you assuming I am using it constantly or even using it for track?

Or am I using it to test how strong the rear axles are?

Your question seems to be vague.


Heck it could be a purge kit and used for show.

But go ahead, cant wait to read the negative response.

[CrashKelly]

Why is that? Do you have experiene with nitrous? What will happen in a year? Curious to know what you predict? Are you talking about the bottle or the engine? Are you assuming I am using it constantly or even using it for track?

Or am I using it to test how strong the rear axles are?

Your question seems to be vague.


Heck it could be a purge kit and used for show.

But go ahead, cant wait to read the negative response.

no offense dude but if it is a purge kit for show....that would be lame...so I really hope it is an actual set-up.....sorry if the former is the case, but I just cant see how purging nitrous before a race, and then getting your doors blown off because you dont actually have any, being cool at all...

That and Rikens "question" wasnt very vague since it was not a question...it was a statement. He said come back and see me after a year of nitrous...i think that is pretty clear...he means that you'll have blown your engine by years end if you are using nitrous all the time...and I know the response is going to be "well im not going to use it all the time" but if this is on your daily driver you are going to start using it, because youll get addicted to the extra speed. You might not use it everyday, but you'll start using it more than planned! Anyways I want more pics other than a bottle...want to see the whole set-up so PICS or BAN!

[jungleagent]

no offense dude but if it is a purge kit for show....that would be lame...so I really hope it is an actual set-up.....sorry if the former is the case, but I just cant see how purging nitrous before a race, and then getting your doors blown off because you dont actually have any, being cool at all...

That and Rikens "question" wasnt very vague since it was not a question...it was a statement. He said come back and see me after a year of nitrous...i think that is pretty clear...he means that you'll have blown your engine by years end if you are using nitrous all the time...and I know the response is going to be "well im not going to use it all the time" but if this is on your daily driver you are going to start using it, because youll get addicted to the extra speed. You might not use it everyday, but you'll start using it more than planned! Anyways I want more pics other than a bottle...want to see the whole set-up so PICS or BAN!

No offense taken. I actually like your response better since there is actual substance in what you wrote. What annoys me is people who tend to assume things when they absolutely have no idea or any experience on the matter. I have always praise and respect Riken when he has something useful to write. However being a pessimist in some matter tend to show the ignorance that is sometimes overlooked. And the statement or the sarcascism he wrote is a perfect is a fine example of that.

I knew getting into this matter will be a flaming session because as Riken put it "get back to me after a yr of nitrous use" is another example of brainwashing of people like spooledupracing who think NOS fails or an over indulgence in watching of Fast to Furious. But there I have put over a year of extensive research in nitrous in the RX8 along with 6 years of using nitrous in my previous vehicles.

Pretty much for the people that is not aware of how nitrous works please go and do research and you will understand that there is similarities in Forced induction. Thus let me remind everyone its SIMILARITIES not the same. FI= CFM N20=PPO. Again similar not identical. If you need to ask go do your own research I won't reply to unresearched questions.

Anyway I won't go into much details since what I put on here might be another spark to another debate over NOS vs FI.
I use a wet system
55 shot / 75 shot(track)
13.7@97(street radials) 12.4@124(slicks)

Riken my answer to a yr use of nitrous is this:

http://themazdaforum.com/showthread.php?t=3274

P.S. Riken thanks for all the informative threads and post. But don't resurrect spooledupracing. You are turning like him. Quit with the trolling for an argurment or debate.

[Riken]

Plenty of info out there some negative others positive. Ive seen more negative than positive.
All Im saying is from what Ive read and heard its something that has to be done 100% correctly and maybe there will be no problem in an RX8
From RX8club.com

Well i ran my dry kit for about 3 months.. Finished off about 4 bottles and never had an intake explode. I never actually anything severe happen.... It was fun, but now i have moved on. As a few other people on here have said i was wrong.. And i would not recommend a dry kit to the other rx8 users. But since i had the money to not care if i blew my engine i kept doing it anywayz. Although my engine survived just fine with no problems i still wouldnt do it.

So my overall opinion *Dry Kit NOT Recommended

But it was fun and if you got money to pay for an extra engine if/when it does decide to grenade then its some cheap thrills lol

~Donald


Also people have blown their engines and some have blown their intake manifold.

Just make sure you tune the crap out of it. Oh check this out too:

ATTENTION: NEW POLICY

If you are truly interested in putting a nitrous oxide system on your car it is imperitive that you read this thread and all the others mentioned at the end before you p.m. me with questions. 99% of what you need to know is in these threads and I no longer have the time to address redundant questions. Thanks for understanding.

After three years of playing with my own nitrous system and helping others with their own, as well, I have decided to start a thread that discusses some of the typical mistakes that are made and the problems that are encountered along the way.

The "Rules"

Nitrous oxide systems, particularly the Zex #82021 system, work quite well whether your RX-8 is stock or modified. Most of us are using a 55 h.p. shot. A couple people have been able to get the 65 h.p. jettings to work, as well, but I don't tend to suggest their use. For those who wonder; the Racing Beat and Cobb re-flashes work well alongside the nitrous and actually ENHANCES the effect that the 55 h.p. shot of nitrous has on the Renesis. With the right modifications those who drive stock GTOs, Camaros, Mustangs and Cobras, Evo8s, STis, and even some SRT4s can become easly surprised by how nice the back end of an RX-8 looks. However, there are a few "rules" that must be recognized before you can embark on such a project, though.

First, you must make sure all of your engine's various systems (ignition, fuel, etc.) are working properly and that you have the latest re-flash offered by Mazda and no CEL's. Even if your CEL has blinked be sure to find out what it was for and that the problem is solved. Make sure that your engine oil is full and clean and the oil and air filters are clean. As long as your factory spark plugs are clean they should be okay. One thing to note is that with the mileage most of the 2004 models are showing the factory ignition coils are quite prone to failure, and any kind of power-adder will quickly expose a weak coil. Be sure that you have properly working ignition coils before you even order your nitrous kit. As for spark plugs I have always used the ones first installed in the 2004 models, the RE-7A-L and RE-9B-T models gapped at the factory spec of .048", and have had no trouble with the nitrous damaging them. Further, these plugs and gaps are good for the first 55 h.p. shot and additional levels of power will need to go with 1 heat range colder for each additional 25-50 h.p. With NGK, higher numbers mean colder plugs. For modifying the gap, which can be done on the Iridium plugs if you are VERY careful, close it by .004" for each additional 50 h.p. after the first 50 h.p. Some people are even using the FD plugs in similar heat ranges and are having luck with that. I don't prefer that because it seems to take away a bit of the throttle response when the nitrous is not in use. With a high-output ignition system you may be able to keep the gaps at .048. As for the ignition timing advance/curve it need not be changed up until the 55-60 h.p. mark. Beyond those levels it is good to have some way to control the ignition system such as the Mazsport Interceptor X or the GReddy Ultimate EMS.

Second, the nozzle placement is VERY important as the RX-8 has an extremely sensitive MAF sensor and high-resolution PCM. If the nitrous nozzle is too close to the MAF sensor there will be erroneous readings sent to the PCM and lean conditions will result. Before I went with a dual-nozzle set up I used a single nozzle in the third fold back from the front clamp in the flex duct, with a slight upturn of the nozzle to send the plume into the center of the throttle body blade. Also be sure to use the bulkhead included in the kit, whether installing in the flex duct or in an aftermarket intake tube(with Loctite Blue), with the nut side out (so it doesn't get sucked into the engine if the worst should happen). The easiest way to drill the hole in the flex duct is with a 3/8" wood/paddle bit by hand, especially if it is still sharp.

Third, instead of merely cutting the factory fuel line for the barbed "T" fitting, the safest way to get the fuel to the solenoid/module is to remove the factory fuel line with the red connectors altogether (after waiting about 30 minutes for the fuel pressure to bleed down) and replace the rubber-covered vinyl line with about 18" of 5/16" rubber EFI fuel line rated for well over 65 PSI and four clamps available at your local parts store. Trying to simply slip the new fuel line over the factory vinyl line is not the safest in my opinion. Trim the new fuel line to the same length as the factory line and route it in the same locator clips/clamps that the factory line came out of for the safest, most stock-appearing installation. To remove the factory line, simply give the red "quick connectors" a 1/4 turn to open the clamp and release them, and firmly pull on the line to remove it from the hard-line. Keep these red connectors and re-use them on the rubber EFI line. Simply push the connectors back in place until you hear a "click" and give it a slight tug to make sure it is locked. Also, you can remove the rubber sheathing from the vinyl line by peeling it off and this will allow you to later use it as a cover/protector for the stainless line to keep it from chafing nearby objects. Another option is to use the PTP Fuel Line Adapter and use the outlet intended for a fuel pressure sensor for your fuel feed to the module.

Locate the solenoids or module wherever it may be convenient for you and use the cigarette lighter circuit in the fusebox to power up the system. I loved the way my module was out of view even with the engine cover removed when I mounted it on the underside of the factory intake box, near the tray. When I used my Rotary Extreme aluminum box I mounted the Zex module on the rear panel directly below the intake duct. Behind the driver's side "kick panel" is a fuse block which can be removed by pulling it toward you. Looking at the block it is easy to see which wire supplies the lighter with current. It doesn't matter which side of the fuse you splice into. I fed my 12v+ lead through the hood release cable grommet by using a scratch awl with wire taped to it to pierce the grommet and feed the wire at the same time. For those of you with the A/T application, there is a white plastic plug that caps the hole in the firewall where the clutch hydraulics would be. You can drill a hole, install a grommet, and run your wires thorugh that. Very convenient. If you are using a system that is activated by use of a TPS, the wire that you need to splice into is the bottom wire on the multi-pin connector going to the throttle body as it is plugged in. UPDATE: I now suggest that you first wire in the electronics/module and program the sensor BEFORE you tap into the fuel system. The engine needs to be slightly warmed up in order for the throttle body to receive the WOT voltage, usually 3.8v or more, and by doing the module first you'll avoid possibly flooding the engine when programming it.

Route the nitrous line from the trunk to the engine compartment by using the empty brake/fuel line channel on the driver's side of the car, underneath, and "tie-wrap" any loose spots on all of the stainless lines.

Are tank heaters and purge kits necessary? There is a common misconception that heaters will allow you to get more nitrous out of your tank before a re-fill is necessary. This is not why heaters were invented. Heaters were invented to make nitrous systems more consistent in their use, whether on the street or at the strip, as the ambient temps changed. Nitrous oxide systems are calibrated to operate best with a full tank and line pressure of 950-1,000 p.s.i. but the jetting will be effective between 800-1,100. When the ambient temp drops below the 70-75 degree threshhold the tank pressure will drop by about 100 p.s.i. for each 10 degree drop in ambient. Thus, tank heaters will try and keep the temp around 75-80 degrees on the inside. To do that requires a heater that is very hot to the touch so be careful when yours is turned on. Along those same lines of consistency being the objective, purge kits were invented for drag racers to purge any air bubbles out of their nitrous lines because sanctioned drag races are won or lost in 1/1000 of a second. One small bubble in the nitrous line of a six-second Pro Mod car with a 1,000 h.p. nitrous system will lose the race against a blown or turbocharged Pro Mod car. What I do when I am about to pressurize my system for a night of racing is turn on my tank heater for an hour prior to my expected use and just do a quick 2-3 second nitrous blast before I figure I might race. To shut the system down I turn the heater off, close the tank, and do a couple of full runs to evacuate the nitrous lines. Since I use both fuel and nitrous pressure gauges it is easy to see when the nitrous line is totally purged. Suffice it to say that heaters and purge kits are not necessary, but can be helpful depending on the environment in which you are using nitrous. Remote openers are a great tool to have because you never know when you might come upon an impromptu "comparison" run.

posted by Charles R. Hill from Rx8club.com

[CrashKelly]

I dont have any probs with someone running nitrous...I just have no experience so I don't know the ins and outs....I assume nitrous is like running any other kind of power add'er....you tune it right and run the right parts and you're safe...It's when people just plug the juice in and spray like crazy that causes a problem.

If I had something with a nice bottom end and a really good tuning system I might consider running the bottle as an alternative to turbo or s/c. It just depends on the plans for the car...For me I'm getting to the point in my life where I dont need to race around all day and I can enjoy cruising, but id love to have the extra shot if I wanted it...that is why im lookin at the GTO...I spend my days in lower gears for the most part so Id like some big torque and if I want to get on it maybe I'll throw a little bottle in there...it's still far from being a reality though...I have to make it through the winter before I put down the cash on the goat...I was going to grab one now, but it's getting too close to winter and if I just wait a little longer I can buy it straight cash.

Sorry waaay off topic. Still wants PICs!

[Riken]

What GTO and no rx8???

[jungleagent]

Thanks Riken for the info.

when I persude going with N20, I based it on cost vs hp. At the time when I did all my research on FI/N20 months ago I found this:

Oct 2007
Stock HP 232
$3500-$7500 Turbo/SC kit(new):
290-310 hp Gain of 58-78hp

N20 55 shot(new):
$650
287-297 hp gain 55-65hp

So at the cost alone I went with average cost of the Forced Induction($5000) divided by the average HP(68) gain and this is what I found:
$73.52 =1hp

Now I went with the nitrous and $650 divided by 60 hp:

$10.83 = 1hp

So that was the main basis on why I went with N20. there are other reasons why I went with N20 but that would be a totally different thread. lol

Since then now turbo kits made for the rx8 are going higher in HP with more tuning changes. It might be better to buy a turbo now since the technology advances on the Renesis is much more.

[CrashKelly]

What GTO and no rx8???

yeah that's what it's looking like...corvette powertrain in sleeper body....just gotta do something about the suspension on it once I pick out a suitable candidate. It wont be until after the winter at this point though. I want to just buy it with straight up cash and Im about half way there already.

[Riken]

yeah that's what it's looking like...corvette powertrain in sleeper body....just gotta do something about the suspension on it once I pick out a suitable candidate. It wont be until after the winter at this point though. I want to just buy it with straight up cash and Im about half way there already.

So you are going to leave us trader BAN HIM!!!

[CrashKelly]

So you are going to leave us trader BAN HIM!!!

lol, not for awhile....Even when I do make the move to a new car after the winter I am sure that I will still cruise the forum. Mazda forums were the first forums I got involved with and then got hooked on em! Even if I didnt have a mazda Id still follow up on whats going on here just for the peeps and the interesting info! Plus I can still throw some info out to the newbies