My Turbo Nightmare!!

[KrayzieFox]

Alright, so I bought this turbo kit from bumpin_p5 on 24/7 a little over a year ago and I'm starting to think about installing it. Never quite got around to it last summer, and as soon as school started up again there was no way it was gonna happen. This summer though my brother will be around to give me a hand and he's got a lot of experience with his turbo DSM's, so I feel a lot better attempting this project now.

So anyway believe it or not, I never even took all the parts out of the boxes and HOLY SHIT what a mess!! The FMIC piping looks scary as hell, and it's completely beyond me why all that is necessary to hookup an intercooler. I think I might start looking for new FMIC piping for sure, cuz the way he had it all hooked up makes no sense to me..

[KrayzieFox]

So anyway the full list of parts goes something like this..


MSP turbo & manifold (new gasket & studs for mani)
JDM (eBay) FMIC with insanely complicated piping
HKS SSQV BOV
BEGi RRFPR & FM O2 v-clamp (fuel pressure gauge included)
Vacuum block and quite possibly a thousand feet of line
Tapped oil pan
Gauge pod with oil pressure, wideband, & boost gauges
Lentech Street Terminator valve body


What am I missing?

[Jackelope]

*sub*

[Super Matty P]

looks complete but the fmic piping looks suspect. I'm sure I could figure it out if you brought it over here but over the net it'll be nigh impossible.

everything else looks solid. What kinda power are you wanting to make?

[KrayzieFox]

Boost won't ever go past 7 psi, so around ~170 HP. The valve body is rated at 180-200 HP without the torque converter upgrade, and that was really my biggest worry. And I'm actually working on installing the valve body as we speak, I have the oil draining right now.

Wish me luck :D

[liquid_ag]

i cant wait to see it when its done!

[KrayzieFox]

i cant wait to see it when its done!

Imagine how I feel ;) I'll be all giddy like a little school girl!!

[jamesk]

i know exactly what your going threw. i just went threw this crap a month ago and the outcome was better than i thought. the kit looks pretty solid. try to get your hands on a msp ecu. it is alot easier with tuning, but if not it is no big deal, the rr fpr and voltage clamp works fine, it is just not plug and play.

[kansei]

i know exactly what your going threw. i just went threw this crap a month ago and the outcome was better than i thought. the kit looks pretty solid. try to get your hands on a msp ecu. it is alot easier with tuning, but if not it is no big deal, the rr fpr and voltage clamp works fine, it is just not plug and play.

He has an automatic, so he doesn't have that choice sadly.

Congrats on deciding to take the plunge! I'm so glad I did :)

[KrayzieFox]

i know exactly what your going threw. i just went threw this crap a month ago and the outcome was better than i thought. the kit looks pretty solid. try to get your hands on a msp ecu. it is alot easier with tuning, but if not it is no big deal, the rr fpr and voltage clamp works fine, it is just not plug and play.
Glad to hear it worked out well for you, but unfortunately I can't do the MSP ECU (Trust me .. I'd LOVE to!!) cuz I have an auto.
He has an automatic, so he doesn't have that choice sadly.

Congrats on deciding to take the plunge! I'm so glad I did :)
Yep, it's finally happening. I've been contemplating back and forth for a year now and I decided to do it. I even installed the valve body today (How-To posted!!) to get the tranny ready for the extra power ;)

[Super Matty P]

just remember after installing everything to leave that manual boost controller out of the loop. Just stick with the wastegate actuator on the turbo at stock levels. Much safer than fooling around with a ball/spring system.

[pro5x2]

You havn't even installed it and it's already a "Nightmare"!?!?!??!!?

You just need to box it all back up and ship it to me. lol

I hope everything goes smooth with the install!!!

[jamesk]

o i didnt know you had a automatic. my bad. yea do not use that boost controller and you will be fine. remember this attemped of turbocharging your car is a happy thing, not a scary thing, lol.

i had to keep saying that over and over. lol

[kansei]

just remember after installing everything to leave that manual boost controller out of the loop. Just stick with the wastegate actuator on the turbo at stock levels. Much safer than fooling around with a ball/spring system.

Do you have experience with Turbosmart manual boost controllers? They're pretty good, they're not the $20 joep crap.

a spike to 7.5 psi before settling at 7 isn't anything crazy dangerous. If you want to run a boost level that is close to being dangerous, then yeah probably not a good idea :P

link to dyno chart with boost graphed: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/2409373850_ecf77bf9cb_o.png

[khaosman]

Yo Auggie, when I get my new FMIC setup I'll sell you my old one... the hot side piping needs some reworking but the cold-side is money :)

Feel free to hit me up with any questions or whatever. Oh, and I have a sh!t ton of random parts so let me know if you need any thing

[KrayzieFox]

Yo Auggie, when I get my new FMIC setup I'll sell you my old one... the hot side piping needs some reworking but the cold-side is money :)

Feel free to hit me up with any questions or whatever. Oh, and I have a sh!t ton of random parts so let me know if you need any thing

Yea I'll take it, just lemme know when you're ready for the sale. What other kinda parts you got anyway?

[KrayzieFox]

Ok so I guess I'm missing the water feed line on the turbo, which is not a big deal cuz I can probably make something custom in place of it. I just wanted to see how everyone here went about this. The line itself from onlinemazdaparts is $103 or something, so I'm not getting one from there cuz that's a bit too much for just a pipe..

[TheMAN]

He has an automatic, so he doesn't have that choice sadly.

Congrats on deciding to take the plunge! I'm so glad I did :)
it's called the MPI tuner... works great when its installed PROPERLY

it looks like he is missing the oil feed tee as well as the water feed and return pipe/hoses

also, I see a missing exhaust manifold heat shield and the j-pipe back exhaust parts

it maybe a "kit", but it's pretty slapped together to me


make a FULL inventory of exactly every single little piece you have, down to the last bolt and maybe we all can tell you what you're missing.... this CAN be a weekend project if you have exactly everything you need.... I was able to get mine done over a weekend because of lots of planning and having a full inventory of all the parts I needed

[TheMAN]

Ok so I guess I'm missing the water feed line on the turbo, which is not a big deal cuz I can probably make something custom in place of it. I just wanted to see how everyone here went about this. The line itself from onlinemazdaparts is $103 or something, so I'm not getting one from there cuz that's a bit too much for just a pipe..
the pipe needs the silicone water feed hose and an oetiker clamp as well as the crimper tool

you will need to get an appropriate banjo bolt for the water feed into the engine block or you can use the MSP one which is a special one that includes a hose barb for the OEM oil cooler

[kansei]

but you have the hard line on the turbo right? just not the part pictured? You can make it for like $5 seriously. If you've done the throttle body coolant bypass you can use the water feed source from that. You only need what.. like 8-10"?

[TheMAN]

you can do that but the throttle body lines are "bypassed", meaning they always have flow whether the thermostat is open or not... the way mazda had the water feed for the turbo was so that it was regulated and not overcool the turbo... also the simple fact that you want the turbo to warm up to operating temps with the rest of the engine

[KrayzieFox]

it's called the MPI tuner... works great when its installed PROPERLY

it looks like he is missing the oil feed tee as well as the water feed and return pipe/hoses

also, I see a missing exhaust manifold heat shield and the j-pipe back exhaust parts

it maybe a "kit", but it's pretty slapped together to me


make a FULL inventory of exactly every single little piece you have, down to the last bolt and maybe we all can tell you what you're missing.... this CAN be a weekend project if you have exactly everything you need.... I was able to get mine done over a weekend because of lots of planning and having a full inventory of all the parts I needed
I ordered the oil feed tee and the water feed banjo bolt. I already have a heat shield (not pictured, sorry .. forgot about it) and for the exhaust I should be able to use the P5 j-pipe right? If so, the rest of the exhaust is already there (MAM midpipe, RB catback).
the pipe needs the silicone water feed hose and an oetiker clamp as well as the crimper tool

you will need to get an appropriate banjo bolt for the water feed into the engine block or you can use the MSP one which is a special one that includes a hose barb for the OEM oil cooler
Ordered it last week, thanks ;)
but you have the hard line on the turbo right? just not the part pictured? You can make it for like $5 seriously. If you've done the throttle body coolant bypass you can use the water feed source from that. You only need what.. like 8-10"?
The only line I have on the turbo is the oil feed line. And I don't know much about the TB coolant bypass .. inform me please!

[TheMAN]

yes you can use the stock piece of shit j-pipe... I wouldn't because its so restrictive

if you do NOT have the OEM oil cooler, do NOT use the MSP banjo bolt!

[TreFlip999]

Damn fox you just inspired me...I decided im boostin, eff it...The hunt begins

[KrayzieFox]

yes you can use the stock piece of shit j-pipe... I wouldn't because its so restrictive

if you do NOT have the OEM oil cooler, do NOT use the MSP banjo bolt!

It's still OEM, the only engine mods I've done to my P5 are intake and exhaust .. everything else is stock. I have an aux tranny cooler but that doesn't really affect anything.

As for the j-pipe, what other choice do I have? Corksport is about it isn't it?

[TheMAN]

like I said
you DON'T have the oil cooler... unless you want coolant shooting straight out onto your alternator, find a banjo bolt that fits that hole in your block!

[k-lea]

soob.

[KrayzieFox]

like I said
you DON'T have the oil cooler... unless you want coolant shooting straight out onto your alternator, find a banjo bolt that fits that hole in your block!

You're confusing me here..

Can I use the banjo bolt from the MSP or no?! As far as I knew the engines were practically identical, but you're making it sound like the MS Proteges have a different oil cooler than the P5. The bolt I ordered is the one used when assembling the MSP kits, and I assumed that would fit. Please confirm, since you seem to know what does and doesn't work.

Thank you.

[kansei]

MSPs have oil coolers, the rest don't.

[KrayzieFox]

MSPs have oil coolers, the rest don't.

Oh ok, see I never knew that. I always thought the only difference in the engine was the turbo and radiator/SMIC. Good to know, thanks.

So I can't use this bolt, but I should be able to use one like it right? Is it just a difference in size or what?

[kansei]

well the trouble is.. see how there's the circular hole for the banjo bolt but also the fitting on the right side for a hose? That's because you use that to coolant to the turbo but also to feed water to the oil cooler. You'd have to cap off the end or preferably get a banjo bolt that doesn't have that fitting on the end.

[KrayzieFox]

Got it, makes sense now. Now to find the right size banjo bolt and water line. I really wanna just get the OEM MSP line but $100 is way too steep for something so simple. I mean the entire "kit" cost me $1000 so that one line would be 10% of the entire thing!

What did you end up using Kansei?

[TheMAN]

still is stupid to run a turbo engine without an oil cooler though

you don't *have* to use the OEM shit, you can use whatever you want... it's just a smart investment not to cook your oil

[KrayzieFox]

Agreed, I was under the impression that the FS-DE in the P5 had an oil cooler as well, but I'll have to look into that as well now. I'm glad I started this discussion, it should hopefully lead me down the right path cuz my objective is to do this right the first time so I don't have to tear into it 6 months later and redo everything.

What kind of oil cooler we talking about here anyway? Something like what I used for my tranny fluid or is there a better choice?

http://www.themazdaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=791&d=1208723857

[kansei]

The MSP cooler basically looks like an oil filter sandwich plate.. sits between the block and the oil filter and has coolant running through it to cool the oil.

The benefits are that it it'll cool the oil when the car isn't moving (even when it turns off)

[KrayzieFox]

Yea I looked in the MSP turbo guide and it's this little fella right here. I guess even after all the oil changes I never noticed the difference between my car and the pics.

I wonder how hard it would be to get one of these guys, cuz I really don't have room for another aux oil cooler..

[kansei]

you can buy it from Mazda..

http://www.protegefaq.net/mods_engine.html --part numbers are on that page, search for "oil cooler" with ctrl+F (or cmd+F on mac)

[KrayzieFox]

9E1D-14-700 is the part number, onlinemazdaparts doesn't list it so I'll email Jason and see if it's something he can order. Thanks dudes, you've both helped out a ton!!

[liquid_ag]

brb checking if mms has it

[KrayzieFox]

MMS? Who are they..?

[liquid_ag]

The following SKU Number is invalid : 9E1D-14-700. Please revise your selection.

Enter part number and quantity for the items to be added to this order.
[9E1D-14-700] not found in the catalog.

[liquid_ag]

mazda motorsports

[KrayzieFox]

Nice, bookmarked for future :)

Thanks for checking Rob, I'll just see if Jason can get one instead. I already have an order pending with him anyway..

[liquid_ag]

i tried :( it may be discontinued or something

[KrayzieFox]

It could be something they have to special order too. Hopefully it's not discontinued, and if not then hopefully it's not outrageously expensive either..

[kansei]

where'd you find that part number?

FS05-14-700 is the right cooler.

there are other parts needed as well, all mentioned on that page. I'm not going to copy and paste the whole thing here, as it's not my site/content

retail is $156 for that part, mazda motorsports.. over $50 savings

detailed info here:
http://www.protegefaq.net/msoilcooler/

[KrayzieFox]

Oh, ok. My searching skills are obviously lacking today.. I think I pulled up the MS Miata parts instead.

:sigh: Kansei to the rescue once again. I would so fail at this on my own..

$124.78 at Montgomery Mazda. Not too bad I guess, still a bit more than I was hoping for :(

[KrayzieFox]

mazda motorsports

Do I need to become a member before I can look at their catalog and order stuff or what?

[liquid_ag]

yep. need to rac3

[khaosman]

For that banjo bolt, find out the threading on it and I'm sure you can get it here:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/home.asp

And as far as parts go, I just have tons of misc stuff for lines etc. Probably nothing too useful to you.

[KrayzieFox]

For that banjo bolt, find out the threading on it and I'm sure you can get it here:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/home.asp

And as far as parts go, I just have tons of misc stuff for lines etc. Probably nothing too useful to you.

Good shit, thanks for chiming in Patrick. Seeing as how you've already done this before I'm sure I'll be hitting ya up once I get started ;)

[KrayzieFox]

And I've officially bought an OEM oil cooler and water pipe. Banjo bolt and oil tee came in yesterday and all that is left now is to get the rest of the oil cooler lines/hoses.